<p>I guess I look at it alot like recruiting athletes....scouts in the NFL put alot of stock in a players: 40 yard sprint time, how much they bench press, how high is their vertical leap, etc...this is like the SAT. They don't seem to put enough emphasis on can the guy actually play footbal...that is was he successful at the college level...this is like a students grades. I don't care what high school a student went to...the best predictor of the future is the past. If a student has always gotten great grades they will continue to get them in college (or at least not flunk out) . A student with mediocre grades but high SAT is more of a risk ..IMHO.</p>
<p>I agreee with csdad - a candidate with average grades and outstanding SATs looks like someone who had the ability but did not use it! Risky.</p>
<p>But, my concern is when you have someone with high grades and mediocre SATs - what message does that send? BTW, high grades that are NOT inflated.</p>
<p>Worldshopper ~ High grades + mediocre SATs could mean:</p>
<ol>
<li><p>diligent worker/great planner + moderate intelligence</p></li>
<li><p>diligent worker/great planner + disabilities for which no SAT accommodations were given</p></li>
<li><p>diligent worker/great planner + poor standardized test taker</p></li>
</ol>
<p>I'd take the applicant with high grades + mediocre SATs any day. It's not what you got, it's what you do with it. OB</p>
<p>Last year, my best friend (a senior then) took the old SAT and got a score of 1100 or so. She didn't break 600 for either CR or Math.</p>
<p>However, she was accepted into Johns Hopkins, Carleton College, Macalester, Wesleyan University, Uni of Rochester, Juniata and Clark University. She got 7/7 acceptances and our guidance counselor put most of the universities on her list as REACHES based PURELY on her SAT scores! That is such an erroneous thing to do, and demoralizing!!!</p>
<p>There is so much more to an acceptance than SAT scores. Recommendations, transcript and essays... Personality really shown through on her application packet.</p>
<p>I got a 1000 on the SAT (old).</p>
<p>However when I took it I had pretty uch decided to go to a Community College, so I never really preped for it or took it as seriously as I should have... It was a huge reason that when it came time for me to transfer I did not consider any of the Ivy League schools, or Stanford.</p>
<p>Orange Blossom:</p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback and I will have to agree with you on all points, well almost all. I am, for what it's worth gifted (you know, officially labeled) and do have a high IQ. Please note because of my SAT scores; I am just now being tested for dyslexia. My dad has it and so does my grandfather. The reason my school never tested me before is because they didn't have to! They told my mom that they don't test kids who do well in school - waste of resources. They only test kids who are 'stuggling'. </p>
<p>I am getting tested in November but by then I will have already taken my SAT's - so whatever the results are; it won't matter too much.</p>
<p>OrangeBlossom:</p>
<p>... but you would rather the student with high grades AND high SAT scores, would you not?</p>
<p>Worldshopper ~</p>
<p>You, like my DS, are selection #2. Do get yourself tested, and perhaps try to get accommodations on a future sitting of the SAT, etc. Work through your school to get a 504 or IEP and SAT accommodations. Even if time doesn't allow all of these steps, be sure to get a complete disability evaluation so that you can qualify for disability services at the college you eventually attend. It will make the experience even more enjoyable and less stressful. Be sure to look for a solid program that is more than just window-dressing. Look for a school that offers a great freshman experience and lots of workshops, etc. Then soar!</p>
<p>Lots of luck to you. You sound like a great kid!!!! OB</p>
<p>Worldshopper ~</p>
<p>I'm not sure I'd rather take the kids with the high SATs and high grades. I think I'd be more interested in the person with mediocre SATs and high grades. I like workers!!!! I like people who make it happen!</p>
<p>OrangeBlossom: I like the way you think!</p>
<p>I was a three digiter too. Go me. Well it was first and only time.</p>
<p>usna ~</p>
<p>And there is absolutely nothing wrong with a 3-digiter. Don't let numbers stand in the way of your dreams. Follow your passions. Work hard. You will succeed! Seek out a supportive and nurturing college environment...one that sees your heart and potential. Never give up! I know you can do it! The OB</p>
<p>I got a 610 on the writing section of the new sat and i was pretty disappointed b/c i consider myself a very good writer..... good thing im going to be a science major</p>
<p>orangeblossom, I'm already in my dream school (by golly miracles happen). I took the ACT several times in high school and took the SAT for the first time after high school and got that score. eek.</p>
<p>r u in the naval academy? wow that's REALLY cool.
ironic that u use the id usna_reject when u r in USNA</p>
<p>I was an insecure senior two years ago when making this username..now I have to avoid getting kicked out or trying to drop out on my own, again</p>
<p>A kid at my high school (a school that I have to say I attend even though I'm never there. I basically take all my classes as dual enrollment) made a 17 on the ACT. He was also salutatorian. Woohoo for Southern schools.</p>
<p>To all of you elitists (and you know if this applies to you or not):</p>
<p>Class of 2005 Statistics (old test)</p>
<p>~1.5 million test takers
11% (174K) scored > 650 on the verbal portion of the test
15% scored (225K) > 650 on the math portion
Conversely...
15% (229K) scored < 400 Verbal
15% (204K) scored < 400 Math</p>
<p>While I know you think that everyone who scores worse than you is "sad", I can assure you that the other million or so test takers will all go on to lead happy, productive lives. In fact, some will earn more than you and might even end up being your boss!</p>
<p>You're all math whizzes... read the report before truly detrmining what is "sad":</p>
<p>Thanks celhenry for the link!</p>
<p>Funny only about 6% of the total test takers score 700+ on both the verbal and math sections. I think all 6% of them are on CC !!</p>
<p>Even more interesting but not surprising is that the more money your family makes - the higher your SAT score. Looking at my mom's salary compared to the highest one - well that is a 150 point difference! </p>
<p>It would be nice if the adcoms added 150 points to my SAT score just because I come from a "lower income" household.</p>
<p>u know but 6% is a lot in numbers. Think about it all those applying to HYPSMC uhh i don't even want to think about it.</p>