<p>Does anyone have the SAT Mid-50% for Out-of-State people? My guidance counselor said that UVA might be a reach because of some sort of budget-related decrease in out-of-state acceptance, but I'm above the high-range SAT score. HELP ME OH WISE INTERWEBS USERS</p>
<p>Middle 50% for OOS students is not available. I’d shot for a 2100+ though…</p>
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I think something is getting lost in translation here. UVa is increasing enrollment overall. There are NO plans to change the ratio of in-state/OOS enrollment. In fact, the way I understand it the current plan was devised specifically to avoid a state mandated increase of the in-state ratio. This plan increases enrollment of in-state AND OOS but does not change the ratio. If you or your GC have any questions I suggest you contact admissions.</p>
<p>If you are looking at OTHER out of state public universities, keep in mind that many of them are actively encouraging out of state admissions because they get more tuition revenue. That is one of the main effects of the budget cuts suffered by many public universities.</p>
<p>By the way, be very leery of what you ‘read’ on the ‘interwebs’ ;). Look for your information directly from the source…meaning the university. Forbes ran an article a few days ago that indicated OOS enrollment was going to go up at UVa (“Secret” Trend in College Admissions). Oh really?! :rolleyes: As charlieschm states, at OTHER universities perhaps, but based on UVa’s continued statements to keep the ratio the same, as well as efforts last year not to have the in-state ratio mandated legally, any flux I would attribute to yield.</p>
<p>This fall the ‘official census’ for the Class of 2015 will be taken. The IS/OOS ratio may be slightly different from the Class of 2014 simply because of yield. You can’t read anything more into it.</p>
<p>I think s/he meant that less OOS students admitted will accept because of the difficulty of getting financial aid (as evidenced every spring on these forums). But even if that is true, I don’t think it will dramatically enough alter the acceptance rate or waitlist as evidenced by this year’s real lack of waitlist movement.</p>
<p>To clarify, UVa loses many admitted out of state students because UVa does not give out much merit aid to incoming students (except for the Jefferson Scholars.) At many other colleges, they hand out merit aid to large percentages of their students. UVa puts almost all of its dollars into need based aid, and meets 100% of proven need for in-state AND out-of-state students. Most other public universities do not meet 100% of need for even in-state students.</p>
<p>Of course, meeting 100% of proven need means loans and work study along with aid and the loans are usually so ginormous for OOS students that it is not worth it. Not meeting 100% of need means not even offering loans. For instance, my friend attended a private Christian college with tuition lower than IS for UVA. However that ended up even being too much for her 4-child family once all of them were in college. She had to secure a private $10k loan. UVA students do not have to secure private loans, but that does not mean UVA is affordable to every student when you consider the loans’ effects on life post grad.</p>
<p>I don’t see how a a budget-related issue would result in LESS OOS admissions. OOSers pay the big bucks.</p>
<p>I would think you need to shoot for 2100+.</p>
<p>This is exactly why I can’t stand UVA. For OOS students, UVA is like an ivy league school: people idolize it, call it a reach school, and have to be phenomenal applicants in order to be accepted. In reality, it’s the flagship state school, the default school for a large percentage of the Virginian high schoolers. I will agree that it’s a phenomenal state school, but it’s still extremely overrated for OOS students and not as amazing as people act like it is.</p>
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<p>I’m an in-state candidate for UVA and I can honestly say that I can agree with you. It is not regarded as a “Public Ivy” in Virginia. It’s used as a safety for most students I think I will get in, I won’t say I know for sure. Good luck don’t stress over it there are better schools than UVA. Its one of my top choices so I would be excited if I got in.</p>
<p>It is very hard for certain subpopulations in Virginia to be accepted to UVA. Just search these forums for the acceptance threads and see the amazingly qualified applicants who were denied (some with perfect SAT scores). I think that puts it above normal state school level, but it is definitely not Harvard. It is a phenomenal state school. Penn State in PA where I am from is nowhere near as rigorous as UVA. So it is not a normal flagship school. It is just a little step higher. You can also tell because there is no separate honors college (there is just an honors program that has no real effect on course study in that other people can do distinguished majors programs which are arguably better than Echols/Rodman for grad schools especially, and honors only programs like Honors Politics are equally populated with Echols and non-echols).</p>
<p>UVa has a policy that after a student has taken out a certain amount of subsidized loans, they are typically eligible for more need based aid. That typically kicks in at the end of fourth year.</p>
<p>There is nothing wrong with taking out $20 to $25K of federally subsidized loans to get a quality undergrad degree. You have 10 years to pay it off - you just will have to delay buying a new car. But keep in mind that next school year, most new subsidized Federal loans increase to a 6.8% interest rate and the Perkins loan program expires in mid-2013.</p>
<p>For an out of state student considering UVa, I’d also recommend considering the U. of Delaware. It is similar in many aspects, including having a similar size, similar campus/grounds, similar social life, similar academic offerings, and a similar town. U. Delaware’s sticker tuition price is much less expensive out of state than UVa and they offer substantial need based and merit aid to out of state applicants. It is 2/3rds out of state. U. Del. is very selective in out of state admissions, but not as difficult as UVa.</p>
<p>I had a friend who lived about a mile from UDel campus. It is a very different feel than UVA. It feels much smaller. I was surprised to just look up the numbers on wikipedia that the enrollment was, indeed, similar. UVA has much more of a large public southern school feel, Del feels much smaller and northern.</p>
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<p>Really? You think? We visited several schools, and UVA felt, to us, very, very similar to Vandy which is neither large nor public. When I think of large southern publics, I think of our flagship, UT, or A&M, U of AL, Ole Miss, OU, etc. These have a different vibe, I feel – significantly more crowded/less personal. UVa feels like a med/lg, southern private to us. I know you considered Vandy, do you share this view?</p>
<p>Well because I got into UVA I never visited Vandy.
I would agree it is med/large rather than large. So I would amend to say Del feels sm/med. Football games are the part of UVA that feels biggest, which is why I would agree comparing that to a really large southern public is not accurate, but still is med/lg.</p>
<p>Carnegie Classification’s are available for all schools regarding s/m/l and % of residential students. Seems like UVA, Delaware, and Vanderbilt are the same designation (large) but Vanderbilt is highly residential (meaning more people live in campus housing).</p>
<p>[Carnegie</a> Classifications | Size & Setting Classification](<a href=“Carnegie Foundation Classifications”>Carnegie Foundation Classifications)</p>
<p>I’ve visited a lot of colleges in my day. UVa has always felt like a medium sized school to me. There are times when my grad alma mater (liberal arts, private) feels larger than UVa.</p>
<p>When I think of big publics, I think of Arizona State, OSU, Illinois, and Florida (both of them). There are campuses out there that feel like cities. </p>
<p>Everyone has different criteria for assessing the feel of a school. I remember a visitor once being in awe that we had shuttle buses to help people get around and they seemed to think that was a sign that UVa was terribly large. They said other schools they looked at had vans (the other schools must have been quite small).</p>
<p>Yeah, my guidance counselor said it would be harder to get in because of budget cuts… which makes no sense… Maybe I misheard. I think I should be good with 1420/2220 and good extra-currics</p>