SAT concordance table - compare old and new SAT scores

BU’s 2022 admitted student stats are in line with the concordance table https://dailyfreepress.com/blog/2018/03/22/bu-admits-class-of-2022/ Out of 14k students:

BU’s 2022 applicant pool stats were not in line with the concordance table, off by one ACT point https://www.bu.edu/today/2018/six-quick-stats-about-who-applied-to-the-class-of-2022/ Out of 64k students:

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Average SAT: 1350
Average ACT: 30/quote

Joining this late…so in what direction do we think the concordance tables are off?

@collegemomjam The predicted scores on the New SAT based on the scores from the Old SAT are too high, generally by about 20 points in total.

UVa stats for 2022
(In state) 1330 - 1490
30 - 34

(Out of State) 1420 - 1530
33 - 35

@Cavitee Do you have a link? Those look like 2021 stats.

There is no 2022 stat unless it is for EA/ED from certain school. The admission process is still going on.
Comparing the mid 50s only give you a hint but not necessary a direct comparison. There are still test preference among students in certain area (mainly due to mandatory test) and candidates at certain schools. For instance, there were 3 times more students submitting ACT than SAT at UMich. There was even less submitting the new SAT score in the first application cycle when it just came out. The variation is huge.

In addition, different school put emphasis in different section scores. Looking at the composite scores of ACT and SAT ma not show you the way how each school look at those numbers.

If anything, simply use the percentile chart for comparison or wait for the new concordance table coming out soon.

The stats are provided by Dean J on her “ Notes from Peabody” blog
https://uvaapplication.blogspot.com

Son just scored 1530 on the March SAT so we are liking that 35 ACT! :smiley:

Here you go https://uvaapplication.blogspot.com

Not sure how the triple post happened but “those results are in triplicate”

Boston College 2022 https://bcheights.com/2018/03/26/bc-accepts-27-percent-2022-applicants/
average admitted SAT 1448
average admitted ACT 33

Vanderbilt ED results https://admissions.vanderbilt.edu/vandybloggers/2018/02/class-of-2022-early-decision-by-the-numbers/
SAT
EBRW : 700 - 750
Math : 760 - 800

  ACT :      33 - 35

Interestingly, it appears that each school has it’s own “concordance table” but there seems to be pretty strong evidence that 1450 = 33 in many of their eyes. That’s a 2 point ACT difference from the concordance table that was originally presented

Very interested to see what the ACT 36 will concord to. I too see much support for a 2 point drop for the 33 and 34 numbers. Thanks all for keeping us informed.

Do we have to take both ACT and SAT?

Many of you have probably seen some of the elite admissions offices’ articles on the class of 2022’s increased selectivity…that many top schools have seen a drop in their admissions rates.

Seems like they agree that one of the reasons is that students taking the new SAT are scoring higher and therefore think they might have a shot at the top schools so more of them are applying to the elite colleges that might not have in the past.

However, it seems to me that test takers aiming high, the ones that likely have expensive tutors, haven’t broken the code yet on the new SAT…either that or, like many of you are saying, the concordance tables are off.

This is from Penn’s letter they just published…but they are referencing the class of 2021’s stats, but same message, I think:

According to the Class of 2021’s profile on the Penn Admissions website, however, the testing means for the middle 50 percent of admitted students for the old SAT reading and math sections were 710-790 and 740-800, respectively; means for the redesigned SAT reading and math sections were 680-750 and 690-770, respectively.

So how are we supposed to interpret that? Doesn’t it imply, at least to some degree, that the new SAT is actually NOT “easier”? Or is it that the tutors out there aren’t as good at the new SAT yet?

Also, I feel like I hear about A LOT of 34-36 scores on the ACT these days (I am a college advisor). I have specifically seen a ton of 35’s…a lot more than 1500+'s. I wonder if it makes a difference to a college if you have a 35 or a 1500+…does the 1500 look better because there are less of them (even though it’s probably more like a 34 according to the table)?

I know of a handful of kids that have scored very high on the ACT…higher than their GPA’s would suggest. In fact, I have some clients that are now aiming higher (they are juniors) because they ended up doing better than they thought they would on the ACT. What’s going on???

@collegemomjam Honestly, the ACT is an easier test. I really believe that. My S19 studied all summer for the SAT and did very well. I took some tests along with him to show some camaraderie and also because I’m a math tutor and I have students ask me all of the time if they should take the ACT or SAT. Last fall, I had so many kids interested in standardized testing tutoring that I spent a good amount of time also checking out ACT tests. So I can compare them pretty well now.

ACT reading is nonwhere near as hard as SAT reading. Much of SAT reading is from primary sources and the literature is almost always from a classic novel that’s much more difficult that the literature in the ACT. I also think the science section on the ACT is just a game. Read the questions first and go back to the charts and don’t even read the passage. The math on SAT is much tricker and the ACT math is very straightforward.

At our very high performing high school, we know of MANY 36’s but no 1600s. In fact, our S19 knows probably ten kids who have a 36 and can’t break 1520 on the SAT.

I sure hope AOs know the test isn’t harder. From the numbers coming out of the colleges this spring, it’s also clear that the concordance table is also off at least one ACT point for the top of the chart.

*that the test IS harder. Need to edit above post but too late. :slight_smile:

@homerdog Thanks for that and you confirmed for me my own suspicions. If there are any admissions counselors on this thread, do you have any thoughts to share? Do you guys think the ACT is easier and take that into account when evaluating a student’s application???

I have three children of my own. My oldest took old SAT and couldn’t break a 600 on the English. Switched to ACT and after a few tries got her English/Reading up to a 31 which is much better. Did very well on the math ACT as well…again, higher than her math SAT which was decent. If she hadn’t switched to ACT she would likely not be at the college she is in now.

My second daughter just did old SAT and studied her butt off and got a 1540. But I think the ACT would have been easier for her too…but she was aiming very high (she was Valedictorian) and we were told that some elite schools value the SAT more so she buckled down and hit her score. She ended up getting into her reach schools, one was Dartmouth (but she didn’t go there!).

My son is a sophomore and I’m trying to decide which path to take for him. He did decently on the PSAT…very well on Math but it’s that darn English I worry about. Might have to try ACT.

@collegemomjam For your son I recommend he take advantage of the Princeton Review prep center where they allow kids to take an old ACT and a SAT in their offices free of charge and they grade it. This allows your kid to see which test he does better at and which test he feels more comfortable taking. The hope is that your kid will then signup for whichever test prep course (ACT or SAT) he prefers. In my own two kids cases my S knew immediately after taking both tests that he never wanted to take the ACT again. Too difficult to finish on time. In contrast, my D preferred the ACT because it was less tricky, more straightforward. Anectodally from my own kids and their high school peers it seems to be that it is easier to achieve higher scores on the ACT (33-36 range) than achieving the top score range (1500 and above) on the SAT. This is important to know because merit aid is awarded based on the highest scores. It would be interesting to see a study of whether more merit aid is awarded to students who have top range ACT scores than SAT scores due to the fact that there are much less students who scores in top range on the SAT.

I echo the analysis above of @homerdog, and so does CollegeBoard and the ACT folks as they are working together to issue a new concordance table this summer.

I just hope those Juniors who have taken the ACT and based on the CURRENT concordance table are satisfied with their scores still feel the same after the new concordance tables are released in the summer. For that very reason, I would tell these kids that they should assume at least a one point adjustment when comparing their scores with the SAT.