Scenario for Admissions Disappointment

<p>You're an excellent student, ranking as one of the highest in your class. Your test scores are great - around 1500. You lead a few extracurricular activities and have won numerous awards both within the school and from outside organizations. You're even co-captain of the cross-country team. While not wealthy, your family has saved for college and might be able to afford the best. </p>

<p>Everyone around you - teachers, parents, relatives, peers - has high expectations for your future. "If ever there was anyone poised for success," they say, "it's you." And your confidence is high. After all, you've succeeded in most things you've done in your life. You've never had any major disappointments.</p>

<p>When it's time to decide on which colleges to apply to, you get input from EVERYONE, and they're all telling you the same thing, that you're Harvard material or Yale material or Princeton or ... And of course you are. You can compete with any of those other kids there.</p>

<p>So, throwing in the other Ivies and very high ranking schools like Stanford, you come up with your list. And you tell the world where you'll be applying because it's such a rush. Just mentioning your name with those kinds of schools lends you to almost believe that it's a done deal. You've hedged your bets because you know that the acceptance rates are low, so you apply to enough so that at least one of them will come through. Your relatives are excited, you're excited, your teachers are excited, and your parents are telling everyone they know where your applications are going.</p>

<p>You work your butt off with the apps, making sure that you're seen in the best light, especially the essays. You want to show that you are an intellectual, yet have so much more to bring to campus. You develop a strategy: Early Decision. You've heard that you've got a better chance of getting in ED, so you choose your favorite of your favorites and send off the application. Your parents are now telling the world where you applied ED.</p>

<p>When the deferral comes from that choice, you're crushed, but not so much as if they had rejected you outright. What the letter is saying is that you are qualified for admission (which you knew), but that many are qualified and they are reserving the right to decide later. Your parents story becomes that you're "on the waiting list" for the name school, as if it were only a matter of a short time.</p>

<p>On April 1st, you're surrounded by a pile of rejections and wait-list options. You wonder if the fact that it's April Fool's Day has anything to so with this. Much of the overwhelming disappointment is the fact that you may never be attending the schools you and your parents bragged to the world about just a few short months earlier. But the overwhelming feeling will be embarassment about telling the outside world of this fact. Your parents are feeling your disappointment, but their emotions are turning to anger - not at you, but at the sheer stupidity of the admissions committees of the schools. Did they not LOOK at the applications???? But deep down (they may not even know this), they also are feeling some embarassment at having to tell everyone to whom they bragged about you the truth.</p>

<p>Maybe the teachers and friends and relatives won't ask, you think, but they always do. Again and again and again. Being on a wait-list or two gives a slight out. Perhaps those that you talk to don't know that the odds of getting in off the wait-list are slim.</p>

<p>Suddenly, your confidence is shaken to its core. You begin to doubt your own worth. Your safety - probably the state flagship - seems like a prison sentence, not because you can't get a good education there, but because when you answer the question, "Where are you going to college?" you will invariably get a look or a grunt or even a question that implies "Why there? Why not someplace better?"</p>

<p>The world (and what you think will be your future) seems like a dark place at that point.</p>

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<p>So how to avoid that scenario? Lots of advice on CC is floating around and should be listened to. One shouldn't stop applying for the most selective schools. After all, SOMEONE'S got to be admitted, and it might be you. But you should have very realistic expectations of how the current process works are a realistic assessment of your odds. But one of the biggest mistakes to make is for you (and especially your parents) to tell the world where you've applied and talk as if it's a sure thing.</p>

<p>Moral of the story? Yup - Keep your mouth shut about your college process. Really, most people aren't interested anyway, and the few who are just enjoy the competition. If you can't help talking it up, or have questions, come to this forum.</p>

<p>Great post ,digs. We are singing the same tune. I have listened to my daughter respond to folks asking where she'll be applying. I am so pleased her response is usually: "I really like Centre, Rhodes, and a little school named Hanover in Indiana. I can see myself happy at any of those. Now, I'll apply to some lottery schools like Williams, Middlebury,and Bowdoin and then some other match schools up north but there is no way to predict whether I'll get in or what FA will do. It's all so weird."</p>

<p>Wise advice! It is hard enough to deal with your own disappointment w/o having the rest of the world involved!</p>

<p>yes. parents bragged about me at Columbia and I got waitlisted.</p>

<p>Digmedia,</p>

<p>I truly enjoyed the story. The sad thing is that the parents are now probably telling the neighbors that little Eggbert has decided to explore his options and has decided to take a gap year because the choices are so varied and little Eggie is so ovewhelmed that he really needs some extra time to decide. After all he really wants to go to a school whose colors best complements his eyes.</p>

<p>Dig, referring to other posts, we thought you got into an Honors College at Ohio University?????</p>

<p>Good advice though!</p>

<p>I feel kind of nasty for even repeating this story, but it is relevant to digmedia's warning. In my son's high school class was a very high achieving, but quite arrogant, classmate who had applied to MIT. On the day he knew that the decision letter was coming in the mail, he was so sure of his acceptance that he made a big show of calling home on his cellphone from the classroom with the other kids gathered round, to ask his dad to open the letter. Of course, you can predict the rest of this story - he was not accepted and had to deal with his shock and disappointment in the presence of his peers, rather than privately at home. This was an extreme example of the behavior digmedia is warning about, and it couldn't have been pleasant for the young man involved.</p>

<p>MotherofTwo, ouch! All I could think of to say if I was in his shoes would have been,"Beam me up,Scotty".</p>

<p>pedsox -</p>

<p>My son is indeed going to Ohio. The story is just a parable, constructed from some stories on CC plus some first hand knowledge. A parent friend of mine told me early in the process that it was going to be a contest between Princeton and Stanford. How would her son decide which school would be best? This went on for a while. Fast forward to recently, when I asked where her son finally decided. She told me he was going to a small (not selective) college. That's all she offered to say, and I didn't ask about what happened to Princeton and Stanford.</p>

<p>Great post. </p>

<p>The biggest problem is that the ones it applies to won't recognize themselves. Most parents don't know about the recentering , and blissfully ignore that 1500 ain't what it used to be. (and neither is 1470!) Since the school doesn't rank, they are unaware that their perpetual high honors student may actually rank about 85th percentile on the deciphering chart that the college gets. They confuse broad, competent participation in activities with distinguised excellence (at a large state or national level), and they won't get off their tails to read the available books (or these boards).</p>

<p>I do feel sorry for some of the kids. They deserve better. In my son's case last year, the combination of being mildly obsessive and relatively informed (I bought A is for Admission when he was in the 6th grade, made some notes, and put it away) led to a pretty good "pattern for his applications, with about half acceptances and half rejections. As one friend put it, that's exactly what you want. In any case, I think its wise for people to target that result in a way that....... if you are truly correct about your kid's prospects, you'll get 100% acceptances,...... but if you're wrong, you'll have multiple viable choices that you'd be willing to attend. </p>

<p>PS. I do feel bad for the MIT-rejected kid. Even when you know your odds are low, it truly stings when the letter comes. I'll bet that hurt a lot. As a further PS, one of our schools best kids was rejected at MIT this year, but admitted to Cal Tech</p>

<p>My entre into the world of college admissions was being lectured by a friend so that my son would not be following in her D's shoes. The D applied to P'ton as a legacy, ED. Deferred. Then, all ivy + skidmore (the mom's alma mater) RD. In at Skidmore, wl at Brown, rejects everywhere else. She eventually had a wonderful time at Skidmore, excellent education, admitted to a top med school. But that first fall, the drive up to Saratoga springs was not pleasant - she felt that she had no options - nothing to choose between. It was rough.</p>

<p>What kids and parents need to look at is not the admit rates, but the rejection rates of some of these places.</p>

<p>Digmedia ~ What a great story! I'm printing it for dinnertime discussion.</p>

<p>I have always been aware of how athletes have been given special consideration in the college process but it wasn't until I had a son applying to the elite level of schools that I actually realized how MUCH of a break these kids are cut. I have heard of many many kids this year who's stats are waaaaay lower and who have average to zero intellectual curiosity and who were admitted to top schools. Why? Because they play sports. Now why is it that national debaters, theatre kids, highly involved musicians who devote hours and hours a day to their pursuits are expected to maintain high grades and test scores even when it means staying up until 2 a.m. to get the studying done and athletes are for some reason are admitted with much less. Why can't the schools look at academic ability first and then choose the best athlete who meets the grade? I've seen the look of shock on many faces this spring when told of specific individuals who have gotten into Brown, Harvard and Yale because they can run down the field with a ball. I've known some of these kids since they were young and they've never cared one iota about school. I think if people were aware of how this cut down the chances for their kids, they'd realize even more how absurd the process is.</p>

<p>Very nice post; sad; everyone can relate. Who doesn't want the best for their kid, who isn't proud of them, even foolishly so? The saving grace is that this phase quickly recedes for most, most end up happy at their colleges.</p>

<p>Andi, isn't this very similar to what you experienced and conveyed in your thread? </p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=47867%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=47867&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I haven't really been following too closely -- how's it going with S? I sincerely hope he receives good news from the WL.</p>

<p>And there's the statistical hit for applying for finaid at 'need blind' school.</p>

<p>dig~</p>

<p>I wish I'd have had this post to read BEFORE we got started on this process...kinda eerie how you had all of our emotions pretty pegged, particularly at the beginning of the process! Our story happened to have a happy ending, but I am VERY well aware that it just as easily might not have.</p>

<p>MotherOfTwo~YIKES!! That story gives me the shivers!</p>

<p>Andi~You are spot on, and I am in full agreement!</p>

<p>~berurah</p>

<p>Ohiomom: </p>

<p>"But that first fall, the drive up to Saratoga springs was not pleasant - she felt that she had no options - nothing to choose between."</p>

<p>Wow. Think about a kid on her way to a lovely, $40,000/year college feeling disappointed. Isn't that amazing? I just don't get it.</p>

<p>weenie,
ah, but she was - she had bought into the mindset the more selective and higher ranked schools are always better. For her, it turned out great. Regardless of the outcome, her mistake in the admissions process was assuming that places like Brown were matches, and being unlucky enough to apply five years ago, when the competition really heated up.</p>