<p>Has Michigan made a scholarship offer for anyone else yet?
I am an out of state student and the college of engineering offered me 20,000 dollars a year for four years. I was wondering if there was any chance that I could bargain for more?</p>
<p>i feel ya..i got the same offer from LSA...maybe we should wait and see what they give us in our financial aid reports</p>
<p>there are several topics on scholarships already...just look back a few pages or do a search</p>
<p>20k a year isn't too bad. That leaves you with 8k tuition + room and board. So if you get some kind of aid, you get a pretty good deal.</p>
<p>I agree...attending Michigan for $8,000 is a bargain. You can possibly get more, but even then, at $8,000/year, Michigan is already an incredible bargain.</p>
<p>What are you complaining about? If only I got 20k a year? Who do you think you are, asking for more money?</p>
<p>no ones really complaining..i'm grateful for any amount of money i get and i'm sure the other people who posted are as well, but the cost of out of state tuition for michigan is super expensive..20,000k over four years isn't a ton in the grand scheme of things..</p>
<p>First of all wwwstumpcom, Michigan is no more expensive than any other top 10 or top 15 university. Qualithy of education will always cost money. Secondly, I thought your $20,000 scholarship was on an annual basis. If your scholarship is $20,000 over 4 years, I can understand how you would enquire about more scholarship money.</p>
<p>I think it would be unfair to say that U of M is a top 10 or 15 university as you would like to think so. If we use US News and World Report as the standard ranking, UM ranks something like 27th (I don't have it next to me). It is on par with it's peer institutions, which are Berkeley, UVA, and UNC.</p>
<p>I do not use the USNWR as a standard, although the peer assessment score is somewhat reliable since it is a rating of academic quality. Michigan is a top 15 university for sure...some even think it is a top 10 university. The peer assessment rating of Michigan usually places it anywhere between #7 and #12 in the nation. That's an accurate rating.</p>
<p>I'd say Gehard Casper, Yale alum, Chicago Law School professor and Stanford University ex-president knows quite a bit about universities. His letter above was a criticism of the USNWR undergraduate ranking. He used Michigan and Cal as the cornerstone of his arguement. If anybody can make an argument, it is Gerhard Casper. </p>
<p>Even if you look at graduate school placement or professional placement, Michigan is well in the top 20 nationally.</p>
<p>Generally speaking, Michigan is lumped together with Brown, Chicago, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Duke, Johns Hopkins, Northwestern and Penn. The peer assessment score of the schools above range between 4.4 and 4.7. Michigan's peer asssessment score ranges between 4.5 and 4.7.</p>
<p>However, the strength of UM's students is fairly low. UM's mean ACT scores are 26-30, placing it as a second tier school. UW-Madison and Illinios had comparable ACT scores, and they are also public, and I'm sure you won't say that they are top 15 universities. I think we are getting a little off topic here though.</p>
<p>First of all Maguo, Michigan's student body is quite strong. Obviously, not as strong as Harvard or MIT, but as strong as Georgetown or Cornell. I should know, I have studied with Michigan undergrads and dealt with/graded Cornell undergrads.</p>
<p>Secondly, student body strength has little to do with the quality of the university and how respected it is. Adcoms and recruiters will approach Michigan as they would any student from any top 10 university. Michigan will open those doors for its students. The rest is up to the individual student. The same can be said of Duke or Penn. The difference between Michigan and Duke is that at Duke, roughly 80% of the students are good enough to distinguish themselves, compared to just 60% at Michigan. But the universities themselves are equally respected. In highly polished and educated circles, one is not be automatically respected because of the university one attends...one must prove one's self to earn that respect. Quality of the curriculum, cutting edge research, strong departmental ratings, ties to industry and academic intensity are what earns a university respect. Michigan tops the charts in all of those factors. For these reasons, the university will give its student all the advantages a top 10 university will offer its students. The rest is up to the individual students.</p>
<p>But you are quite right, we are drifting from the topic at hand. Back to the scholarship conversation.</p>