<p>My D only took 6 AP in high school partly due to schedule conflict and received 33 credits from college. She could have gotten more AP credits but it would not gain her anything as she has already fulfilled almost all the humanity elective requirement (except for 3 credits at 300 level) and introductory course she may skipped by AP credits. In other words, she may only get more useless elective credits but not graduating faster with more AP credits as she still needs to fulfill the graduation requirement for her intended major at 300+ level plus their pre-requisites. It would be hard to skip 2 years of college by AP credits unless you have a very generic LSA major.
In addition, many schools would have a minimal in house credit requirement for graduation and a limit for transfer or AP credits. Also, some credits may not be accepted by the school you transfer into.</p>
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True. One of my kids’ schools ignore AP Physics B scores because of their engineering majors.</p>
<p>@billcsho: 6 courses --> 33 units? That is very rich. If they are semester units that is one solid year, which usually takes 8 - 10 classes. Maybe these are quarter units? Great for your daughter!</p>
<p>I think the OP has explained pretty well that he is set up for pretty advanced placement at UW with 25 dual enrollment credits plus his AP and has some contact with admissions there. He mentions Foster, which is the business school which I think can be done in 2 yrs. </p>
<p>It is just with other top tier schools he is thinking of he can’t count on it an will have to plan for up to 4 years. Some won’t give much if any credit for AP. I know Brown, for instance, doesn’t usually do that and just uses AP for advanced standing like for the next level calculus. But for Chem, for instance, AP chem is just a prerequisite for the entry level chem class and if you don’t have it you have to take a no credit class to get up to speed, though you can do it online over the summer. Harvard, for example says they do not grant credits for dual enrollment or AP.</p>
<p>Yes, AP credits and graduation/major requirements differ a lot by school.</p>
<p>At UMich, graduating in less than 3 years by using AP credits seems very difficult, but it seems less difficult at UT-Austin or Cal.</p>
<p>Anyway, if the OP is interested in business, look in to the merit scholarships at Richmond and MiamiU as well. They have respectable b-schools. So does IU, but it may be too late to get their big merit scholarship.</p>
<p>The issue is not how long college will take. Even if it is only two years…how will the OP fund this all by himself if he doesn’t get sufficient merit or need based aid to do so. It sounds like need based aid is not going to happen this coming year. And it sounds like the OP would prefer to attend a school that does not give merit aid…and costs $60,000 a year. Where will the OP get that $60,000 a year?</p>
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@thumper1, did you see my previous post in this thread? I laid out a plan where (if the OP can commute to UDub), he can take 2 quarters of classes a year and still graduate in 3-4 years. You’re getting on him for not going for the automatic full-tuition scholarships, but room&board at an OOS school is comparable to UDub in-state tuition and less than 2 quarters of in-state tuition at UDub.
Alternatively, 6 credits a quarter would cost 2.5K a quarter. Say 2 quarters at 6 credits and 1 quarter at a full load for 27 credits a year at $9K a year (which is still less than R&B OOS), giving him more than enough credits to graduate in 4 years if he’s coming in with enoguh credits to already be halfway to graduation. With direct loans, I reckon that is doable if he can commute. Especially since he would have plenty of time to work as well. </p>
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<p>My kids’ small private high school only offered 7 AP classes, and they got 45 semester credits for them, so 6 APs and 33 credits is not unusually high. AP Bio and AP Chem can each net 8 credits. So can Calc BC. The AP histories can net 6 credits each (but probably only a history major is going to want/need 18 undergrad history credits.). </p>
<p>That said, neither of my kids graduated early, although they both could have probably graduated a year early. Many of their AP credits were extra. Neither were history majors so they didn’t use all those history credits. One son was a math major so he didn’t really use those AP Bio credits. </p>
<p>But I agree that simply having a lot of lower division credits may not be enough to cover 2 years. Possibly, the intended major may also have some lower-division req’ts that aren’t covered by AP or DE classes. </p>
<p>UC is not so generous (incl. bio, chem, and B/C) to my recollection. Berkeley is 5.3 semester credits (8 quarter credits) for each of those (UCs go fractional for some reason), for example. Others are 2.7 (4 quarter credits).</p>
<p><a href=“University of California Counselors”>University of California Counselors;
<p>Also, they did not map to GE requirements. AP courses cannot be used to fulfill GE requirements.</p>
<p>“Requirements Have to be Met with Course Work - No AP Or IB Exam Credit.” <a href=“http://www.berkeleycitycollege.edu/wp/counseling/files/2013/07/2013_14_UCBreadth.pdf”>http://www.berkeleycitycollege.edu/wp/counseling/files/2013/07/2013_14_UCBreadth.pdf</a></p>
<p>Look, we don’t know what his cost would be at expensive schools, he didn’t indicate. And we don’t know if he is in commuting distance. He looks like he checked out because all he wants is to find last minute money, not to hear strategy, it would seem. Lather, rinse, repeat.</p>
<p>@BrownParent Sorry, I was at work all day yesterday and didn’t have a chance to come on. I am within commuting distance to UW, and I will be running EFC calculations this week. My family’s income for 2014 is really complicated, so it is taking some time to sort out</p>
<p>I see, and I am sorry that it escaped my mind that the simplest situations are best for NPC estimates. Self employment situations can be the worst for estimate, deductions can be added back and other problems. You are going to have to apply widely and see.</p>
<p>Self-employed situations don’t work well with NPCs, and @brownparent is right…deductions get added back in.</p>
<p>I wish someone could confirm, but in addition to having deductions added back in, someone reported that the “employer portion” of FICA is also added back in as income for the self-employed. If so, that’s a real kick in the fanny!</p>
<p>Some deductions at some schools may be added back in. It’s going to depend on the nature of the deduction and the school so let’s not overstate things. As to the employer portion of FICA, perhaps some school did add it back in for someone. But it seems the whole nature of what schools are trying to determine is how much money does the family have available to contribute. The employer portion of FICA is not optional and is not available to contribute to college costs so I wouldn’t expect most colleges to add it back in. It’s analogous to mandatory retirement contributions that aren’t counted by most schools.</p>
<p>So…if you attend UW, will you commute? And can you afford the costs to attend as outlined upstream?</p>
<p>@ItsJustSchool You know not all AP are the same. My D took some that have more credits such as Calc BC and Spanish that would grant her 2 semester equivalent of 4 credits each. Just these two AP give her 16 credits already. Chem and Physics C gave 5 credits each as for the lecture and lab. The remaining two are just 3 to 4 credits each.</p>
<p>@billcsho, yes, I know all AP are not the same. The Art portfolio will not get you many credits on the Calculus B/C exam (just kidding 
). The link I provided details how UC apportions credit. Calculus B/C, for example, is worth 5.3 semester units, where 15 units per semester is the normal load; or 8 quarter credits. It is in the link.</p>
<p>My DS went to Community College for a year where the AP courses were used for course credit, thus allowing him to complete all general education breadth requirements (and collect an AA degree), then re-applied to UC as a transfer. UC is very clear (see the link in post #48) that AP cannot be used (at UC) to complete GE breadth requirements (so why take them???).</p>
<p>I do realize these byzantine paths are unique to California. However, I have faith that other state flagships can be equally as byzantine and bureaucratic, so I post that experience here.</p>
<p>@ItsJustSchool If AP gives 5.3 credit at UC, then 6 AP giving 33 credits at my D’s school is not so different.
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<p>And sometimes AP courses don’t count at all towards your degree, even though you get college credit for them. </p>
<p>@billscho, see your post #55, not all AP classes are the same. My post #48 shows credits awarded. 5.3 is for a few (Calc B/C, Chem), but most are at 2.7 semester credits. @thumper1, that is true at UC. See a link to UC’s policy at my post #48.</p>