<p>lol you sound like "damn, why didn't I get the chance to cheat."</p>
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<p>it doesn't sound like that... uh he sounds angry, which is obviously how we should feel?</p>
<p>This cheating thing in South Korea is old news.....That's why many international Korean applicants with perfect SAT scores and GPA's have been repeatedly rejected by top Ivy League schools such as Harvard and Princeton for the past few years...I know this because I've heard it from my Korean friend (who goes on many Korean college-related forums where kids have posted their stats). These top universities obtain news quickly and they can see through these lies...Besides, admission officers are not dumb. They know it's highly unlikely that a foreign student could get 800 scores on reading and writing on his first try.</p>
<p>but yes, it is very upsetting and unfair and all cheaters should go to hell. :)</p>
<p>At least we do not cheat using "mechanical pencil" American studnets cheat in more creative ways.</p>
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<p>Well it may be unlikely, but it's definitely not impossible, if a student's strong in English and has studied in an English medium school, I see no reason why he shouldn't be able to achieve an 800 in both CR and W.</p>
<p>Well, yes, anything is possible. But I never said it was impossible, I said it was unlikely. Because there are many intelligent applicants from upper-class English speaking families in America that do not get perfect SAT scores. If I was the admission officer and saw the foreign student's perfect profile, I would definitely be impressed but I would want to do a little more research about him "just in case". Wouldn't you too?</p>
<p>spark15, seems like you're a kid from that infamous korean school hanyoung.</p>
<p>and why don't you describe the "mechanical pencil"? </p>
<p>"at least we dont cheating doing..." . is that supposed to mean that there's something possibly any worse than your cheating skills in 'already knowing the questions on the SAT before the test'?</p>
<p>For God's sake, can't you even PRETEND to be a person with any morals or integrity?</p>
<p>fantastic6 // SAT bans the use of mechanical pencil because some people used it to cheat. I believe that this shows a great "integrity" level of American students</p>
<p>this makes me just as angry
<a href="http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/176484.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/176484.html</a></p>
<p>A few foreign language high schools, including Hanyoung Foreign Language High School in Seoul, have reportedly placed higher grades than were actually earned on transcripts sent to U.S. universities. According to the regulations set by the Education Ministry, students' grades of "C'' or "B,'' were recorded as "A" for students wanting to attend college overseas.</p>
<p>Individuals cheating is different than institutionalized cheating by the school. Schools would never condone cheating in the U.S. not to mention even participate in it. This case is just going to put international applicants at an even greater disadvantage, particularly ones from east asian countries.</p>
<p>I'm getting so ****ed off too! I knew a lot of foreign countries were extremely corrupt but now it seems that their corruption and lack of integrity may be able to affect americans here! I hope admissions officers are aware of all the cheating.</p>
<p>quote: "What angers me is how kids from this school in Korea are cheating their way into our best colleges. And I don't think I am the only one who feels indignant about it. All of us Americans should feel indignant."</p>
<p>I just find this thread interesting since just last week there were a couple of threads about kids cheating their ways to high GPAs and the feelings expressed were (unfortunately) mixed - many approving of the cheating. So, I wonder, for those who condone cheating for personal gain, is cheating your way to the top only acceptable if it's you doing so?</p>
<p>which threads?</p>
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I just find this thread interesting since just last week there were a couple of threads about kids cheating their ways to high GPAs and the feelings expressed were (unfortunately) mixed - many approving of the cheating. So, I wonder, for those who condone cheating for personal gain, is cheating your way to the top only acceptable if it's you doing so?
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<p>I don't know who has been approving of cheating, but I don't think non-cheaters, who actually work honestly for their grades, would approve of people who cheat. </p>
<p>and no, I don't think cheating is acceptable, even if I somehow lose to the temptation of cheating. and if I am caught cheating, I wouldn't defend myself and pretend like I didn't cheat, or even dare to justify my cheating -- because I know I've done something wrong, and I know that people who make the wrong choices have to face the consequences. </p>
<p>And whether or not you're an American or International, you shouldn't cheat. It just so happens that in America, [as Yourzer said] there may be individual cheating from bad judgement made by teenagers.
But we don't have schools run by adults, working together with students to cheat and create a conspiracy.</p>
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<p>ahahahaha Man, no need to tell me the "integrity" level of the majority of KOREAN high school students from Korea. </p>
<p>and from what I hear, in Korea, they dont even let you use PENCILS, let alone mechanical pencils! dont you have to use a sharpie that you can't erase because cheating is so "normal". and you can't even change your answers, unless you get a signature from the supervisor. how do you explain that.</p>
<p>oh what about LOCKING UP the test supervisors for the Korean College testing, because there's been so many incidents when students pay supervisors to tell them the questions on the test before the test date (kinda like what's been happening with the SAT tests, dont you think?).
How ridiculous is that? If you think we're stupid and we don't know what's going on in your country, think again. There are Koreans living in America that aren't fond of the things going on in Korea. We have ears, we hear, we know.</p>
<p>gosh you're so funny. are you trying to be funny?
the integrity level of American students. p--lease!</p>
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and from what I hear, in Korea, they dont even let you use PENCILS, let alone mechanical pencils! dont you have to use a sharpie that you can't erase because cheating is so "normal". and you can't even change your answers, unless you get a signature from the supervisor. how do you explain that.
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<p>It doesn't seem to me as an authentic source. Are you trying to be funny?</p>
<p>If the SAT cheating was bad, they give As in all the subjects to students trying to study in the US.</p>
<p>"It's so obvious that there's a huge amount of cheating in Korea."</p>
<p>Take it easy, big boy. I'm not Korean, but I go to an international school and have many korean friends, all of whom do not cheat. In fact, the school I went to in America my freshman year had far more cheating than the one I'm in now.</p>
<p>Cheating can happen anywhere. People are under a lot of pressure to get into a good college. It's understandable to be mad when people cheat and decrease your chances, but it isn't fair to make this into a stereotype of the whole of sourth korea.</p>
<p>"I knew a lot of foreign countries were extremely corrupt but now it seems that their corruption and lack of integrity may be able to affect americans here!"</p>
<p>My god, the ignorance! I was hoping for something intelligent on page 3, and this is what I found!</p>
<p>ugh, it's gonna be tough coming back to people like this in a year.</p>
<p>but changing the grades in your transcript ???? if that's true then thats really too much...</p>