<p>Bout' Clemson?</p>
<p>Well, if you wanna take US News rankings for it, the top 8 schools south of the Mason-Dixon (not including Texas) are:</p>
<p>Duke
Vanderbilt
Emory
University of Virginia
UNC - Chapel Hill
Wake Forest
William & Mary
Georgia Tech</p>
<p>Not that I actually think US News is worth anything. :/</p>
<p>And FSU-UF and Maxamillian, UF is number 50, UGA is number 58, and FSU is number 109.</p>
<p>The Mason-Dixon Line runs between Pennsylvania (to the north) and Maryland (to the south). If that's the criterion, then Johns Hopkins (USN&WR #13) and Georgetown (USN&WR #23) should make the list.</p>
<p>Not sure if Penn was originally a public school. By the way, Cornell has some state-chartered schools.</p>
<p>Why shouldn't UGA be included?</p>
<p>i'm not much a fan of tulane but i still feel it oughta be included</p>
<p>When constructing the Magnolia League I think the following are locks:</p>
<h1>Duke, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest (elite, southern private universities).</h1>
<h2>Davidson and Washington & Lee -- are academic elites. But there needs to be a decision if liberal art schools should be included. </h2>
<h2>Georgetown & Rice have the academic qualifications for the league. Rice is in Texas and Georgetown is below the Mason/Dixon line but it needs to be determined whether they are in the south.</h2>
<h2>Emory and WashU would need to vastly expand their sports programs</h2>
<p>UVA, UNC, & William and Mary are also top schools but are public universities. </p>
<h2>The Ivy League doesnt contain any publics and its a consideration that needs to be made if they should be mixed. If the LACs were included it seems difficult for them to compete with large publics. If the league was a purely academic league, there would be no problems. </h2>
<p>I think the above 12 schools have the best argument to be in the league based upon academic merit. Some other schools listed that could be considered Georgia tech, Tulane, Florida, Umiami, UT-Austin, and UGA.</p>
<p>Most people in DC would not consider themselves part of the "South" so Georgetown shouldn't go in, thus I think for the league it would need to be schools VA and below.</p>
<p>Wake Forest
Tulane
Duke
Emory
Rice
Vanderbilt
WUSTL
Washington and Lee (as mentioned in another post, i don't believe W&L to be a true LAC due to its law school and business program).</p>
<p>If this southern ivy leauge is to be comparable to the real one, no publics can be included.</p>
<p>Washington and Lee is like Amherst or Williams (the little ivies) , not Harvard or Yale.</p>
<p>The Ivies are essentially the colonial colleges in the Northeast William and Mary is the second oldest school in the country.</p>
<p>Figure out what the oldest schools in the south are and knock yourself out.</p>
<p>wasn't Cornell only founded in like 1860 or something? that wouldn't make it one of the oldest colleges in the northeast i don't think...</p>
<p>anyways, my magnolia league list:</p>
<p>UVA
William and Mary
Vanderbilt
Duke
UNC</p>
<p>don't know about the last 3 spots.</p>
<p>1865 seven of the eight</p>
<p>for the record:</p>
<p>W & M 1693
W & L 1749
U Ga 1785
UNC 1789
U Va 1819
Wake 1834
Tulane 1834
Emory 1836
Davidson 1837
Duke 1838
WUSL 1853
Vanderbilt 1873
Ga Tech 1885
Rice 1912</p>
<p>agree that parallel to Ivy League....must be private, play D1 sports, be of highest academic caliber and reside in the "colonial" south.</p>
<p>So, that leaves (in my book)
Duke
Vanderbilt
Wake
Tulane</p>
<p>WUSL is about as southern as Baltimore, and thats not southern. I'd also argue, regarding Rice, that Texas is Texas and deserves its own league...its not colonial south anyway.</p>
<p>Without the publics (UVa, UGa, W&M, GaTech), that leaves the little-kudzu's, Davidson & W&L, plus the athletically anemic Emory. Davidson is D1 already, but W&L and Emory would need to convert (plus add a football team) to make this a real sports league, like the Ivy. Assuming those 3 could join, then you've got 7 colleges.....just need one more. Stretching it a bit, next on the academic list for the colonial south that plays D1 would be University of Richmond (1830).</p>
<p>Boooo...admit the publics! Who cares if they're public? If they're the best schools, they should be part of the league.</p>
<p>Like I said before, wasn't UPenn originally public?</p>
<p>UPenn was never public.</p>
<p>I agree however, UVa, UGa, W&M, and UNC are really the most historic large institutions in the colonial south. Guess we're only talking about a sports league here, so I revise my vote & go with:</p>
<p>UVa
UGa
W&M
UNC
Duke
Vanderbilt
Wake
Tulane</p>
<p>Of course, the ACC might have something to say about this.</p>
<p>just wondering, why would UF not be on the list if UGA is...?</p>
<p>So if you were to compare these 8 schools directly to the schools of the Ivy League, which schools would correlate? (i.e., Duke=Harvard, or whatever). This would probably be difficult and not really applicable, but what do you think anyway?</p>
<p>well, I don't think of Florida as colonial south (at least most of Florida), as it was opened up by Henry Flagler much later. Georgia is definitely colonial, and UGa is truly an old institution by southern standards.</p>
<p>This is a neat discussion...I've actually been wanting to apply to a college in the South, even though I'm from California. It's given me some ideas of where to look.</p>
<p>Anyways, here is what I would put down...definitely Duke and Vanderbilt. Wake Forest and Emory also seem to fit in nicely; Tulane is a bit of a stretch considering academics, so I would not include it. I would also certainly add in William and Mary, as initially it was not a public school; this only came later. Therefore, it does still have an "ivy" feel. True publics, like UNC Chapel Hill and UGA, really don't fit in, so I would take them out.</p>
<p>However, I think it is very appropriate to include liberal arts colleges, as even though Princeton, Brown, and Dartmouth all compete in the National University category, they have a lot of similar characteristics with LACs. Davidson and Washington and Lee fit in perfectly here.</p>
<p>That leaves room for one more...and I would include Washington U in St. Louis. It may not be dead-on in the south, it was a slave-state that has a Southern/Midwestern feel, and although it doesn't have strong athletics, it meets the standards for Academics.</p>
<p>So, that would leave us with a final list of:</p>
<p>Duke
WUSTL
Vanderbilt
Emory
Davidson
Washington & Lee
Wake Forest
College of William and Mary</p>
<p>caligirl, I'll take a stab at your correlations...these are less than perfect</p>
<p>Princeton=>Duke (Gothic rock pile similarity, the Dukes from NJ I think)
Penn=>Vanderbilt (the social Ivy=>Kudzu/Magnolia)
Dartmouth=>W&L (smaller, in the boondocks)
Brown=>Emory (most free-spirited?...a stretch)
Harvard=>W&M (oldest)
Cornell=>UNC (big)</p>
<p>Can't think of any correlations of remaining southern colleges to remaining Ivies, Columbia or Yale.</p>