Secret Societies?

<p>"ducky...forget it...lets not argue on such minor things...if there's one thing i hate its racism...but i hate talkin abt it more"</p>

<p>I'd be careful with that dismissive view of discussing an important facet of American life. Sadly, race is one of the absolute most important issues in America.</p>

<p>agreed. Not discussing racism contributes to it. It's kind of like apartheid in S. Africa being a "white elephant" of sorts.</p>

<p>bongo, as i said...i just hate the topic...u think bein indian i havn't been subjected to it??? well i have...and i know it pains...the only thing u can do is avoid it...Science overpowrs all</p>

<p>god you love science. What we're saying is ignoring it is counter-productive.</p>

<p>i find it funny when a white guy talks about racism
secret sociteites might have one token but its not an invitation
arjun for ur own good don't talk about wanting to join the white brotherhood, like before someone said they will use u
racial profling may be bad but if it keeps me safe im for it</p>

<p>yea youre right. im aware of the illegal status of most minorities.I agree with your conclusion. the assumption is fair. i just dont like it when ppl say racism isnt an issue, which you clearly are not saying.</p>

<p>you got plans for tonight? :)</p>

<p>all i'm sayin is i know it exists...but what can u do..seriously...goin out to the white-house and protestin it would fetch us somethin and i'm willin to do that...but why make enemies when ur not accomplishin anything?</p>

<p>there is no reason to debate racism just got to deal with
the sensetivity on this forum is way too much
i didn't mean funny as in laughing,
just meant how can u know about racism if u never been the object of peoples hate, obversations don't mean squat, we don't ur sympathy</p>

<p>you find it funny when a white guy talks about racism? are you implying that i have no idea what im talking about or did i missread you comment? i find it very degrading and am very disappointed in the average person when im entering the US and I am allowed to pass through customs while my parents and sister are held and their bags are examined, just because i have blonde hair and blue eyes and they have dark hair and brown eyes. i am turkish by the way.</p>

<p>well maybe you would be a little bit more understanding when you are pulled aside for something you clearly have no connection to other than the fact that you belong to a bigger group, a small faction of which is composed of extremists.</p>

<p>Arjun...I know I told you that before and I did it for a reason :). I would pay you $1000 to NOT give me your jokes :-.</p>

<p>rubby r u on psyhcatic medication?</p>

<p>rubber: yeah hopefully partying with some old friends from PHS '05</p>

<p>abike11: i really don't like how racial majorities "aren't allowed" to talk about racism. I get a lot of flak for plainly expressing my views while being white. I'm a minority in some regards: I'm jewish, I'm adopted, and at times, being white has been the minority. On that issue, I actually feel more racially aware/tense when it's everyone looking like me and one non-white as opposed to when I'm the only white person. I guess I don't notice the difference as much because I don't see the one different looking person. Perhaps that's just me though. However, this is a rant.</p>

<p>My real point is that I think discussion of race is very important for all parties involved. If white people are scared of the issue for fear of being thought as "racist," it's just going to stifle racial understanding even more. Every time I discuss racism with non-whites I learn more about how one race perceives the tensions between itself and mine or another. Why do you think it's so funny when white people discuss racism?</p>

<p>C WHAT I MEAN!!!
Stop the goddamn racism talk...
abike11 and ducky: Whites have as much rights to speakin on racism as we have.</p>

<p>i didn't say they couldn't but whats the benefit? ur more aware? u can feel r pain? make it a scholarly issue then</p>

<p>arjun, the tense nature of race-related dialogue is what makes the discussion so unpleasent. If people would come with a tolerant "i want to learn" mind instead of a rigid "i have to defend my race" mind, the discussion would be a lot more pleasent. I can't help getting tense talking about it because I'm always worried someone will take what I say the wrong way and be offended for no reason, instead of looking for my meaning or asking/questioning if something seems unfair.</p>

<p>It also helps for people to clarify in the first place. "I think it's funny when whites talk about race" is a potentially inflamatory statement, and even though it's fairly cool now, none of this discussion on the sentence might have been necessary had abike clarified who it was directed at, and why he finds it funny.</p>

<p>The diologue itself is not unpleasent, it's the ragine emotions and pride that people fail to disconnect from it.</p>

<p>abike11: I'm not talking about racial opression; i'm taking about some instances of current racial tension, i.e. tension between openminded, non-racist people of different racists based on previous opression between the two races.</p>

<p>It benefits both parties: it contributes to understanding on both sides about why tensions exist, how to ease them, what the other party goes through, how to avoid such tensions in the future.</p>

<p>What do you mean by asking me to make it a scholarly issue? Are you referring to sociology?</p>

<p>i didn't disagree with what u r`saying, now im defense? but my comment is very relevant- whites discussing race- is very off color in minority communities- its never pleasant-thats the point-
its odd how this started about secret societies and who they don't accept
i have a good idea how this discussion will end</p>

<p>are there any hot girls at Cornell?</p>

<p>abike11, I'm Puerto Rican in NYC and I see where you're coming from but I disagree. I encourage discussions with my white friends (who are almost all Jewish--NYC remember?) about race when the topic arises. I find this to work a lot better. I see what you feel though, and I've felt the same way sometimes. Personally, I don't think minorities or majorities should pretend to know more than the other when discussing race. Sensitivity and openness are the two most important factors. I want a white person to be sensitive to my experiences, and I want to be sensitive to a white person's take on race in America.</p>

<p>no its hard it say in writing what i meant
but man u don't have to convince me of nothing</p>