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<p>The murderer himself made the BMW the issue in his rants when he angrily wondered why is it other “inferior” men driving “inferior cars” were getting dates and attention from women when he couldn’t by citing the fact he has a BMW, comes from British aristocracy, etc.</p>
<p>As for the private pop concert, it took place in the UK and he took a round-trip trip there from/back to LA on First Class as he mentioned and displayed on his own facebook page. </p>
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You are trying to rationalize irrational thinking. Slippery slope you should avoid. His thinking was disordered. It doesnt really matter what his manifesto said.</p>
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<p>It is irrational thinking, but this type of thinking is unfortunately not limited to those who are mentally ill. </p>
<p>There’s a subset of NYC area ibankers/lawyers who are known for making similar angry rants about why they’re not getting dates or attention from women they desire despite having high salaries, expensive car/pad, etc. </p>
<p>It’s become a running joke among those of us who worked in those environments and/or know others who do and thankfully, they are increasingly getting called out for it IRL and online. </p>
<p>That is ridiculous. This man’s thinking was unfortunately very disturbed. He sounds psychotic. Those comparisons are outrageous.</p>
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<p>Most don’t take it to murderous extremes, but the underlying entitlement of assuming one’s entitled to dates and attention from desired women because of one’s perceived high status, salary, high end possessions, etc exists in many areas of society…however much some may want to deny it. </p>
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<p>They are appalling creeps. My impression is that ER’s mental illness led him to glom on to this stupidity, which can be found in the horrible PUA (pick up artist) Hate sites. Some of those dreadful men cheered on ER’s rampage. Really.</p>
<p>ER wanted an explanation of his lack of social success. He couldn’t accept that there was something wrong with him, so he came to conclude that there was something wrong with women.</p>
<p>The PUA community and the PUA Hate community are two sides of the same loathsome coin. Neither of them believe that women are people.</p>
<p>There is a huge difference between psychotic thinking of a person who happens to come from wealth, and pompous jerks who happen to come from wealth. Its apparent this is a concept difficult for some to comprehend. </p>
<p>ETA- some fringe extremist hate group is not representative of some subset of wealthy bankers or lawyers.</p>
<p>Exactly, cobrat, if these NYC types you know are making these types of rants, they are losers.</p>
<p>Some NYC bankers may be losers, creeps or jerks, sure. But psychotic murders. Um, unlikely. </p>
<p>So many of your posts are negative comments about people with perceived entitlement issues, Cobrat. It can be an unfortunately narrow view of humanity.</p>
<p>Uhm, ER probably expected women to fall all over him with his fancy car and his status stuff because that’s what women do in Hollywood. It’s not unusual. And, he saw a movie suggesting they do it in Santa Barbara, too. But, the bigger issue is that he is was a psycho madman crazy killer.</p>
<p>There may be a small subset of people like the ones cobrat knows that go into these high powered , high prestige careers thinking the money will get them women and help women overlook their inadequacies. There is no shortage of rather strange and/or not particularly good looking men that have been able to land some pretty good looking women (who probably would not have given them the time of day if they hadn’t had money or status).</p>
<p>"I asked this question before and no one answered it, so I am going to ask it again. Please answer either “yes” or “no”.</p>
<p>“Would you give your 22 yr old (mentally ill) son a costly BMW (including maintenance and upkeep), pay all his expenses including food, shelter (apt) and expensive clothes if he hadn’t gone to school for over 3 years, didn’t work or have any other source of income during this period, so he could wander a college town aimlessly 24/7 or drive to Arizona to buy lottery tickets without taking his medication or going to a therapist on a consistent basis? If you are going to suggest the parents thought he was going to school, I would ask why they didn’t demand to see the transcripts from their son?”</p>
<p>I haven’t formulated it, but I could imagine a less spun, but no more useful yes no question. </p>
<p>How about </p>
<p>“Would you refuse your 22 yr old disabled son a car (including maintenance and upkeep), pay all his expenses including food, shelter (apt) and clothes if he hadn’t gone to school for over 3 years, didn’t work or have any other source of income during this period, if he wouldn’t take his medication ?”</p>
<p>Then; "How would you decide the right amount to spend on each? </p>
<p>of course there may be a subset of jerks with money. This is no surprise. There are probably a lot of jerks with money. Big jerks, little jerks, tall jerks, small jerks. But to quote flossy, they are not psycho madman crazy killers</p>
<p>Come to think of it, of course cobrat would know psycho madman crazy killer bankers or lawyers. Why would this surprise us?</p>
<p>Shrinkrap, as a concerned parent, if I knew my kid needed to take his meds to function well, by all means I would limit what I gave him in terms of support if he refused to take both professional and parental direction.</p>
<p>jym, I am in agreement with you. That is the point-they are jerks or losers. Not the same type of situation as a person like Elliot Rodger.</p>
<p>“If not for my husband, my son probably would not have graduated from college or gotten a job. My husband, as a professor at the same university (in the same department of my sons major, not a coinsidence) was able to micro manage his education and even his social life. My son joined the same fraternity that my husband once belonged too, made friends and even found a girl friend. (They’re still together and perfect for each other) My husband would call him every morning to make sure he woke up and went to class and helped him figure out his schedule with only 12 credits a semester. He also planned for my son to take the more difficult (non major) classes at community college during the summer. ie chemistry.”</p>
<p>Unfortunately, Elliot Rodger did not have a parent who intervened in his life like your husband did with his son. I know many here would like to give the Rodger parents a pass (this is the parents forum) but it usually takes a dysfunctional family or parents who are in denial for something like this to get to the point where the situation becomes this bad.</p>
<p>The link posted by Bay is very interesting. His roommate apparently heard the many calls with his dad where he told him how miserable and frustrated he was that he had no friends or that girls didn’t like him. According to the roommate, he was drunk many times when talking with his dad. The parents knew a lot but for some reason were content to allow him to live in this community without going to school, a job or seeing a therapist on a consistent basis or taking appropriate medication for his condition. </p>
<p>All I can say, Goldenpooch, is that you must be leading an incredibly charmed life -you’re perfect, your son is perfect and you have never faltered in being a perfect parent. Must be nice.</p>
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<p>cobrat, there’s a subset of EVERY demographic that makes angry rants about not getting dates or attention and blames others for things not going their way. If you were a woman you might have experienced it. A lot of us have.</p>
<p>This guy’s “markers” related to status stemmed from his life circumstances. If he had been living in a hippie commune or a working-class neighborhood or under a bridge he STILL would have had the same warped view of his superiority to others and likely the same sense of outrage that he deserved more than he was getting from people in his life.</p>
<p>Another expert agrees that under current law ER could not have been prevented from buying a gun.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/05/29/why-law-enforcement-was-powerless-to-stop-elliot-rodger-from-buying-guns/”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/05/29/why-law-enforcement-was-powerless-to-stop-elliot-rodger-from-buying-guns/</a></p>
<p>He does say, though, that there are studies showing that Missouri’s elimination of background checks has led to an increase in gun violence, as have various states’ stand your ground laws. </p>
<p>I wonder whether even if the police has seen the Retribution video beforehand, could they have detained him preventively? </p>