<p>The judgments and stereotypes that you are casting are nearly as bad as those being applied to Blacks and Asians. Just because people have money, it doesn’t preclude them being corrupt or in any other way cheating their way through life. Sure those people exist, as they do within any stereotype (hence the reason they are stereotypes), but don’t just go throwing them around like its fact.</p>
<p>In reality, a lot of the things that you have said aren’t even true. Many people I know (I live in a fairly well off community) attend public school, with the minority attending private school. Among those at public school, of whom many are wealthy, a fair number of people do attend public universities or private ones that are actually not as good.</p>
<p>I’m not saying that all of the things that you said are false. Corruption and connections do certainly play a (bad) role in life, but you can’t just go around casting people in a negative light just for being rich.</p>
<p>My original observation had little to do with affluence, and more to do with elitist institutions. In my experience, impressive academic resumes are not an accurate predictor of workplace performance. For whatever reason, elite private educational institutions often do not prepare kids well for the real world. I have had much better luck with kids from rough and tumble public high schools and state universities. They seem to have more common sense and a better work ethic.</p>
<p>Be careful. What about the kids from tough and tumble public high schools that go to elite private universities, as many more are doing every year. Your generalization relies heavily upon the old demographic that made up places like Harvard and Yale and less upon the new. </p>
<p>When we visited Princeton last year, the question I wanted to ask was this: After you accept the athletes, legacies, minorities, and whoever else that you want (I know there is some overlap), how many white girl spots do you have? Out of the approximately 1200 students in the freshman class, I am guessing it is about 200. Not very good odds.</p>
<p>I am really looking forward to seeing this year’s admissions statistics because I think that many things will change with the economy.</p>
<p>I am all for helping kids who have excelled despite their circumstances. Schools like to boast about their diversity, but many of the students of color who are admitted have had every privilege.</p>
<p>I like affirmative action, because in a way, it reverses the roles, society puts on us minorities.
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Everytime, i get a stupid joke about me being mexican “go mow the lawn” hehehe, and I know alot of people that are immigrants, americans think there so stupid since they can’t speak english. THATS WHY I LIKE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION
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I’LL ADMIT IT’S KIND OF LIKE A HOW DO YOU LIKE IT ON THE OTHER BEING SUPRESSED BY ORGANIZATIONS</p>
<p>I am the parent of a biracial child (Black/Hispanic) accepted at two Ivy League schools and waitlisted at a third. Let’s compare your daughter’s "white girl” holistic credentials with those listed below. If your child doesn’t measure up, maybe that’s why a minority got slots you seem to think were destined for your daughter.</p>
<ol>
<li>Perfect score on at least one section of the SAT I.</li>
<li>Average SAT II above 700</li>
<li>ACT Composite score in the 97th percentile or above.</li>
<li>ACT Subject score in the 99th percentile.</li>
<li>Top 10 GPA class ranking</li>
<li>AP exam score of 5 in sophomore year of high school.</li>
<li>AP Scholar.</li>
<li>4 year letterman and captain of a high school sports team.</li>
<li>4 year actor in school’s award winning performing arts program.</li>
<li>Model UN Distinguished Delegate.</li>
<li>Editor of school newspaper.</li>
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<p>I hope your daughter doesn’t walk around with the same misinformed entitlement disposition you seem to have.</p>
<p>Those are impressive achievements 2kidsincollege, but I guarantee many many applicants to ivy league schools have achievements on par with your daughter’s. I don’t think any of those achievements would be considered an extremely strong hook. I’ve seen tons of kids on CC with resumes just like that.</p>
<p>I would expect many Ivy League applicants to have credentials that are on par with my daughter. However a “holistic” evaluation of these objective stats, along with subjective evaluations of her essays, recommendations, and interviews seems to have been good enough to gain admission. </p>
<p>My point to MD Mom, is that unless her “white girl” (her words, not mine) had better stats, she should not be asking how many slots are left for her daughter after the schools have admitted minorities.</p>
that’s not really a good argument. let’s not pretend like your daughter is the only one who wrote good essays, had strong recs, and had good interviews, and just happened to be a URM on the side. a lot of other people probably had similar applications as your daughter or better and were rejected from the schools she was accepted to. </p>
<p>if your daughter was white, her admissions would still be a crapshoot. her URM status, combined with her qualified application, almost made her a guaranteed admit in comparison.</p>
<p>Believe it or not, rich high achieving URMs do get turned down. It may make their file a little more attractive but it is not the golden express line ticket to the ivies.</p>
<p>The term “reverse discrimination” is always used as a blatant canard because it supposes the lie that only white males can negatively discriminate. </p>
<p>Be very suspicious of people using the term. It’s a dead give away to identify those to whom honesty is a stranger.</p>
<p>MD Mom: that makes no sense. At every elite school in the country – every single one – the percentage of white students is disproportionate to the actual percentage white college-bound students of that age represent in the national population. Although African Americans make up 13% of the population, they typically make up around 7% of the student body at the top schools in the country. Same thing with Hispanic students and native students. It’s not even CLOSE to true to assuming that white girls only make up around 17% of the student body at top schools (because that’s what 200 out of 1200 is).</p>
<p>The whole point of affirmative action is to improve the chances of underrepresented minority students. “Underrepresented” means that the number of them at the university is not on par with the number of them represented in the general American population. If underrepresented minority status combined with reasonably decent stats is a “golden ticket” or makes a “guaranteed admit,” then minority students wouldn’t still be underrepresented! It makes no sense to argue that affirmative action is unnecessary when African American, Hispanic, Native American/Alaskan Native, and some groups of Asian students are STILL underrepresented at top schools across the country. It also makes no sense to argue that it is “unfair” and results in “reverse discrimination” at top schools when white students are STILL overrepresented at these top schools.</p>
<p>Affirmative action is silly. Private schools may use it to encourage diversity and all…but the truth is, it brings about too many problems. There are other variables that can distract from the main goal. Mostly, asians are being discriminated against. A.A. is based on the idealistic belief that all humans are created equal, with similar intelligence levels…but there has been scientific evidence that this is not true…</p>
<p>how come Asian Americans have been discriminated against just as much as Africans and latinos have, yet they have risen to the top of society?? With the highest average test scores?? </p>
<p>Affirmative action needs to be removed…honestly. Asians should have equal rights…
a complete meritocracy is essential to America’s continued power and affluence…</p>
<p>It’s based on the idealistic thought that all races are born with the same level of intelligence…while scientific research has shown the truth to be the contrary…</p>
<p>“It’s based on the idealistic thought that all races are born with the same level of intelligence…while scientific research has shown the truth to be the contrary…”</p>
<p>No you are wrong and I have nothing to say but you are being a racist. This “scientific research” is based off of Watson’s research and he has been rejected by the scientific community. It is only the culture that is different and all races have 99.9 the same DNA so your basis is racist at best.</p>
<p>Scientific research is published and has citations. Bring on the citations, or stop misrepresenting the conclusions. (Simply put, current scientific research doesn’t talk about “races” in that sense, and definitely acknowledges that IQ can change over the course of life. I have citations–but after you, please.)</p>