Should I apply JHU ED or Cornell ED?

<p>I don't really want to burden my parents too much with the wait. I'd rather have the time for us to get ready for me to head off to college.</p>

<p>Ethnicity: White
Location: NJ
School: Very Competitive Public (many students go to Ivies and top tier school every year including Yale, Penn, MIT, Michigan, Emory, Hopkins, Columbia, Cornell...)</p>

<p>I have good test scores but a pretty poor GPA</p>

<p>ACT: 36 <a href="36%20M,%2036%20S,%2036%20Grammar,%2034%20Reading%20Passages">12 essay</a>
SAT1: 2120 (760 M, 720 W (11 Essay), 640 CR)
SAT2:
Math2: 780
BioE: 710
Physics:800
US:800
Chem:800
APs:
CalcAB:5
CalcBC:5
Stat:4
EC/Work Experience: Hospital work, ran a food kitchen in third world country, Raised $14,000 running an event in that country for charity, Theater (Musical/Drama) [leads], Choir, Habitat for Humanity (president), Medical Club, Research this summer at Penn (paid), freelance graphics designer, tutoring an child with autism in math, website developer (was paid until site was closed), I help with a program that runs a party for autistic children
Academic Honors: AIME qualifier, Honor Roll, Cum Laude
I'm a pretty good writer</p>

<p>Here's where it goes bad</p>

<p>GPA: 6.0/7.0 (where an A = 7 and a B = 6 and works its way down [this only works with honors/AP Classes. The A level classes are all adjusted 1 point below the Honors in terms of GPA and the next level a point below that) (I take all honors/AP)
UW: 3.43/4.0
Rank: Top 10% (barely)
Family Income: Middle Class (maybe upper)
Financial Aid: Yes
Sex: Male</p>

<p>Is it more advisable for me to apply to JHU or Cornell ED. Quite honestly with my Dad's health, my mom thinks he might die if he has to wait til April for decisions. He would be ecstatic if I could get into either of these schools which I've loved after a visit.</p>

<p>which one should I look into></p>

<p>First off, I’m sorry to hear about your dad and I hope that he does not pass away before he sends you off to college or anytime soon afterward.</p>

<p>It seems that you are torn between these two schools, and I can understand why you want to apply early even though you are torn between two schools because of your dad’s health and other reasons. First of all, it is going to depend what major you are going into. Second of all, it is also going to depend on the environment you are looking for. I feel Hopkins is slightly more intense than Cornell and that Cornell is better balanced between work/play than Hopkins. I also feel that Cornell is less cut-throat as well. If I were in your shoes, I would choose to apply to Cornell ED because I feel the overall undergraduate experience is better there. But that’s just me. You will have to do some self-reflection and decide what type of environment is best for you.</p>

<p>I would also look at borrowing/purchasing Student’s Guide to Colleges by Jordan Goldman and Colleen Buyers, the Princeton Review college book, and Fisk’s book on colleges as well to get more information on both schools to supplement your observations during your visits. Good luck!</p>

<p>They are both excellent schools–and they are pretty similar in terms of intensity and less grade inflation. Academics and reputation are very similar. In terms of social life, I think they are very comparable. Cornell will have more on campus stuff—because it has to. There is little to do in Ithaca outside of outdoor stuff in nice weather (Ithaca has a definite advantage in outdoor type stuff). There is a lot to do on the Hopkins campus too–but you also are in a large city and another large city (DC) is close and accessible. </p>

<p>The big differences are: size–Cornell is very large for a private school (yes I know that some of the schools are public/contract schools) and much, much larger than Hopkins. This is neither good nor bad, but is very different; location–Hopkins is an urban school in a large city, although you wouldn’t necessarily know that when you are on its park-like campus. Ithaca is a small city and Cornell is in a part of it which is more suburban on one side and rural on the other. Again, not necessarily good or bad–but very different. </p>

<p>Also, transportation from Baltimore is much better than from Ithaca. This might be an important consideration in your circumstances.</p>

<p>Obviously, I’m not going to talk badly about either one of the schools, but I will give you some reasons as to why I think Hopkins would be a really great option for you:</p>

<p>Hopkins is located in a mid-size city. Albeit, Baltimore does not have the best reputation in the world, but from my experiences living there, I think the city is simply wonderful and has many awesome experiences and opportunities you couldn’t really expect to find at other locations i.e. Ithaca, NY. There’s more than just movies and public transport: you have the harbor, museums, aquariums, fell’s point, etc as well as the opportunity to volunteer in the mayor’s office, the city council’s building, to sit in on important health care tasks or initiatives held in the city-hall, etc. All of this, with the additional opportunity to volunteer, intern, and/or work at the best Medical Hospital in the entire World, Johns Hopkins Hospital. They regularly have job and research positions open only for JHU undergraduates, and so-on. </p>

<p>Also, Baltimore is a simple 45-minute $7 train ride away from out Nation’s Capitol, the Capitol of Global Democracy in Washington D.C. where there are numerous lucrative jobs and internships that students can easily access YEAR ROUND on a regular basis. This cannot be easily said for the vast majority of schools of Hopkins’ caliber, including Cornell, Harvard, and others.</p>

<p>The next reason why I think Hopkins presents a more compelling case is for size. I will not comment on Cornell’s size because everyone has their own opinion, but Hopkins’ on-campus size is very small for a research university of this caliber and the campus feels much more homely and classrooms more intimate as a result. </p>

<p>In terms of Academics, Hopkins has numerous programs that are at the forefront of their field. Just about every single option you have at Johns Hopkins will be ranked at the very least in the top 30 of the nation, with other programs in the top 20, 10, and numerous #1 programs in such fields as Music, Biomedical Engineering, Writing, and Public Health. Professors really do care about their students and it shows. I have had some of my favorite professors in the world here who have given me the chance to do research and land good summer jobs with me simply dropping in during office hours to see them. </p>

<p>The main argument you will hear AGAINST Hopkins is that it is cutthroat and competitive. However, I will say that that is simply UNTRUE. In my time here, the only person who has been cutthroat with me has been myself. Hopkins’ academics truly pushes you to organize and strive to be the best learner you can. They treat their undergraduates with graduate level lectures, seminars, etc. and in turn, expect high quality work. It is tough at first, but as you get used to it, it is TRULY worth it. At Hopkins, students not only work hard, but they play hard too. Look at our popular Lacrosse games, the Spring Fair with amazing food and cool rides, the large amount of people going partying every weekend whether in clubs in Baltimore, D.C., or simply in a frat house, and you will see that Hopkins is every bit as possible to allow you fun as it will allow you to grow and learn. </p>

<p>The Food at Hopkins has been getting better and better, but I really enjoy the food Baltimore has to offer. A LOT.
Advisors here are top-notch as well and our admissions rates into professional AND graduate schools regularly remains within the top of the top in the country.
Hopkins is making huge inroads into expanding and becoming an even better and bigger school in the coming years. What with the development of the multi-billion dollar Science City, the expansion of the Homewood and Medical Campus, and the billions of dollars raised and continuing to be raised for further improvement, I think Hopkins would be a sound investment ;)</p>

<p>note: I didn’t say a SINGLE bad thing about Cornell ;)</p>

<p>Okay, I will TRY not to be biased, but we do have an apparent JHU person above me ;). First off getting in. I do not think you will have an issue getting into either since you are in the top 10%, since both have pretty high ED acceptance rates (I believe Cornell is around 35%, JHU around 50%), so JHU might be a slightly safer bet. Secondly, I have various friends going to both schools, so I suppose I have a decent say in the matter. I have heard the horror stories at JHU, but my friends have also said that they are not true. Yes, it is probably a bit more cut-throat then Cornell, but that may be something you want to keep in consideration. Overall, like other people said, you should make your choice on location/size. Cornell is HUGE (physically and with regards to amounts of students); this was a huge plus for me, but many people do not like that at all. Obviously it is in a rural area, but I also like that too. Baltimore is a great city, albeit being slightly dangerous (know 2 people that go to JHU that were pickpocketed), but JHU completely contrasts the area. I personally liked the style/campus of Cornell, but it really comes down to personal preference at this point.</p>

<p>I would apply to Cornell University ED,</p>

<p>I too vote Cornell.</p>

<p>– Prettier campus
– Better food
– Stronger academics and wider breadth of offerings
– Nicer location (see this [NYT</a> article about Ithaca](<a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/14/greathomesanddestinations/14havens.html]NYT”>http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/14/greathomesanddestinations/14havens.html))
– Generally more fun</p>

<p>That said, even with your dad’s ill health, I’m not sure ED is the best choice for you. ED is never a good idea for those needing financial aid. I’m not familiar with Cornell’s financial aid, but Hopkins was less than generous with the package it offered me. Perhaps you should consider applying EA to a few schools instead…Chicago comes to mind as a possibility.</p>

<p>(Sidenote: Post #4…Hopkins #1 in music? Over Juilliard, Curtis, NEC, and Eastman?! Come on.)</p>

<p>Let me give you a word of caution, because you indicated that you will be looking for financial aid. Applying ED means that you will not have an opportunity to compare financial aid offers from other schools. Are you absolutely sure that you will get enough money from either JHU or Cornell to allow you to attend? Be sure to read the ED statement that you must sign with your application very carefully. Although you can get released from the ED agreement if the money is not sufficient, you will be giving up your opportunity to go to another top school and may end up having to attend a lower-cost public school.</p>

<p>IBClass06:</p>

<p>I say that all very generally.
Music Wise, it is the #1 program among schools of equal caliber.
And it is also a top 3 national program, which, in my eyes is basically equal to #1. Just as I don’t dispute Harvard as a #1 Law program just because it is #2 to Yale Law, and whatnot.</p>

<p>Also, everyone will have opinions on school campuses and locations.
I personally was accepted to Cornell and received a better financial aid package there than Hopkins, along with Duke, Columbia, and Chicago (amongst others), but I chose Hopkins in the end because I preferred the campus, was offered an awesome research position from the getgo, and liked the proximity to everything.</p>

<p>In terms of academics, IBClass06 is wrong again. Cornell doesn’t have superior academics. more choices? yes. Superior? heck no.</p>

<p>of course, my Hopkins support stems from me having gone there and having realized how much I really love it here.</p>

<p>If Hopkins were not in the equation, I would say Cornell is simply a fantastic place. The campus is aamazing if you can stand the cold, and the academics are top notch as well.</p>

<p>Hopkins, Cornell, Duke, Columbia, and UPenn were my top choices in high school. I was thankfully left with a choice amongst all my faves and I made the right decision.
Perhaps it’s in your best interest to apply to both Cornell and JHU RD like everyone is suggesting.</p>

<p>Rice where did you wind up?</p>