Should I Give Up Ivy Dreams and get more realistic? Chance Me Please! (Rising Junior)

<p>HelloKitty: Good to hear. and you are welcome :)</p>

<p>“You are right. But you can’t argue against higher SAT = better. Simply put, if you’re Asian, requirements will be higher. A 2200 SAT will be below average, and you don’t want to be fighting an uphill battle trying to convince adcoms.”</p>

<p>-Yes that is true. Maybe I should have made myself a little clearer. What I meant to say is that many Asians have this obsession for perfect SAT scores. Yes, students, esp Asian ones should try as hard as possible to reach a score above 2250 (or 750 or above on each test). But if they got into that 2250-2390 range, they shouldn’t try to take the SAT again to get that perfect 2400. Once you get into that set range, adcoms are not going to care about it. IMO, if you study and at least put in some effort for the SAT, top students like the OP and most Asian Ivy applicants won’t have an issue with getting into the 2250 range. </p>

<p>In another word, SATs are just like the minimum requirements for admission. You must satisfy this minimum requirement, esp for Asian students, before one can even hope to have a chance that adcoms will consider your ECs, teacher recs, etc (adcoms are very busy people). But once a student meet that minimum requirement, he/she don’t need to be an overachiever; he/she should focus more on ECs and such that would make he/she stake out. </p>

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<p>-I agree with this statement to some extent. I think that it would all depend on what the OP wants to major in. If she wants to major in areas such as business (Haas), Engineering, and Chemistry, then Berkeley would be a good option. But if she wants to go into the humanities, +50k a year, large crowded public school, is definitely not worth going, especially when there are higher ranked private schools with better resources and lower student:teacher ratio that cost nearly the same. </p>

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<p>-I wouldn’t necessarily say so. It’s easier to get in than an Ivy ONLY if you are a californian state resident and possibly international student. But the OP is clearly not. Cornell’s acceptance rate is 20+%. I doubt that for OOS students, the admittance rate for Berkeley is above 20%. Now, it is not as number-oriented as it was before. It might still be more numbers oriented than any good private school but the good stats sometimes are not enough to get you in. Seriously, this year, several people in my high school who did not have that great of stats got in while some with better stats did not. One kid who got a 2010 on his SAT, barely made it to the top 5% of the school, but did a great internship at Scripps got accepted to Berkeley’s prestigious school of engineering. Another was rejected and he was top 3% with 2200 SAT but didn’t do pretty much any ECs. I think Berkeley is looking for more well rounded individuals and thank god for that!</p>

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<p>wow like that didn’t sound conceited at all ;)</p>

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I agree with everything you said, except this statement. The effort it takes to improve your SAT score could not so easily be used to improve other areas of your app. You can’t improve your ECs by spending a couple hours studying and then a Saturday morning. In fact, 2250 is a rough cutoff, but in reality, there are so many hooked applicants, unhooked applicants will likely need more than that to not have a (slight) disadvantage. Why go in with a disadvantage?</p>

<p>I concede your point about UCB. But I was comparing UCB to HYP rather than Cornell. :wink: Not as numbers-oriented as before, but a high SAT score holds more importance there than at Harvard for example.</p>

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I don’t think he was referring to himself in that statement.
Plus, for me, I would rather not have my race be known as “naturally gifted”. But if it is, I can’t change it anyways, so I guess I’ll take pride in it and brag a little lol.</p>

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<p>lol zephyr. I was skimming through it so fast that I didn’t see it. :slight_smile: haha, I wouldnt like that at all. It sets up too much expectations :)</p>

<p>Yes, you’re on track.</p>

<p>yeah, too many times bad. 2-3 is good.</p>

<p>ugh, expectations kill me. I heard my dad on the phone, and he was talking with his friend, who was congratulating him on my acceptance, and my dad was like, “well, it’s only a lower ivy”. geez, it’s like they expected me to get in to all top schools. “well, you should have worked harder, but that’s okay if you want to save some of your potential until university” =.=</p>

<p>that was a fun tangent.
so um, just do your best, and you gotta at least try. so yes! go for it. just don’t expect too much</p>

<p>Everybody, I don’t want to sound conceited or mean at all, has nobody heard the common story how Jews are shrewdly smart in business and Asians are expected to get 2250+ SAT (not always the case, I know)? :wink: I was just commending the Asian population’s intelligence and incredible drive to succeed…I was trying to complement others-why do you have to prosecute me!!! LOL :slight_smile: And yes, Asians have a more difficult applicant pool to compete in when applying to top schools, such as Ivys, which is the initial reason why I said this.</p>

<p>Anyway, I think that the OP is doing a good job and best of luck to everybody in the college admissions process! :)</p>

<p>LOL zephyr. Same here. I thought for sure I’d get skinned alive if I didn’t get into at least one ivy :stuck_out_tongue: Everyone my parents know seems to have genius kids. I hear them telling me about so and so’s kid who got into Harvard, MIT, etc etc like every other day…sometimes I’m skeptical…maybe they are just making it up…</p>

<p>and Columbia is not a lower ivy. I actually got waitlisted there…:stuck_out_tongue: oh well. </p>

<p>Gosh I have a tendency to turn every thread into a ranting thread :). so back to the point…I did have something to say to the OP. </p>

<p>Oh yes. HelloKitty: I know this is a long time away, but you should start researching on colleges, do some visits if you can…don’t save it all for next summer or right before applications are due. I made that mistake and it was hell trying to finish three different applications on the last two days of application. Also start speaking to your counselor too. I hear a lot of complaint about how counselor recommendations are really impersonal. You can avoid that by simply getting to know him/her more.</p>

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<p>KitKatz, I NEVER was mad or offended…I just don’t want to offend or hurt anybody’s feelings. And your welcome by the way ;)! Sorry people always tag you as the smart one as well, but my motto is: just be thankful for your gifts! :)</p>

<p>you look like an interesting candidate… haha
your chances will improve alot if you can get that SAT score up.</p>