Should I stick with ND?

<p>I'm new here at this College Confidential thing. Just signed up today. See if I can get some advice...
My situation is different from others here. I'm taking a gap year before I go to college. I'm currently in Guayaquil, Ecuador, volunteering and learning Spanish. It's been a great experience, I'd definitly recommend it to any of you guys out there...</p>

<p>Here is my question:
I applied to colleges last year with everyone else. I was accepted to Notre Dame, Berkeley, UCLA, and BC. I really loved the camaraderie at ND and the spirit. Out of all the colleges, I felt like I really fit in with the kids at ND. I also liked the Catholic part of the University. I'd lived in California all my life (went to high school in San Diego) and I wanted to see what another part of the country was like. I've also went to Public school all my life, and wanted to get the Private, Catholic experience. I visited during a football weekend and, as it has been said already, there is nothing like a football game ND. ND also has a Peace Studies program that is amazing. And the Center for Social Concerns is one of a kind.</p>

<p>I've been here in Ecuador for 3 months now, and I'm having second thoughts about ND. I'm realizing how much I'm missing California (going surfing almost everyday, the weather, the mountains, the beautiful women). I originally wanted to live another place, but I think this year is giving me this opportunity. I'm thinking about 4 years in Indiana and I'm not all that stoked. I'm planning on studying politics. Notre Dame has a reputation for being conservative, while I'm pretty liberal. I'm also kind of bummed about the lack of diversity at Notre Dame, both racially and economically. And I'm not gonna lie, Notre Dame football is definitly pretty sorry at this point, and not looking to be improving anytime soon. When football is like a second religion at ND, it will be no fun cheering on a horrible team for 4 years.</p>

<p>Anyway, I've been thinking a lot about applying to Stanford. I got my AP scores back from the end of senior year, and I did pretty well. I think I would have a decent shot. Stanford has a lot of things that are lacking at ND. The only downside I see though, is Stanford is a lot more science/research oriented.<br>
I also feel somewhat that I made a commitment to ND. I told them I'd be there come August 2008.</p>

<p>There is no place like Notre Dame. That is definitly true.</p>

<p>Any advice? Am I just getting cold feet? I know ND will end up working at great for me. Do you think I should apply to Stanford and see what happens?</p>

<p>Thanks for your help,
Connor</p>

<p>You might as wel leave your options open but I am sure you will not be cheering a horrible football team for 4 years in fact by the time you graduate they could be national champions. You can always go home for the nice weather several times a year but honestly I don't think there is anywhere else but ND</p>

<p>i have a friend from california who is totally liberal and loves surfing... it makes going home that much better, and he is having a great experience here... </p>

<p>the school is "really conservative" but all my professors area actually liberal... i think it might be more administration that is conservative? don't quote me on it, just a personal observation... </p>

<p>ND has an awesome liberal arts program with great professors, whereas, many other prestigious universities, like you said, are more concerned about science/research...</p>

<p>hope that helps</p>

<p>Notre Dame is unique. Stanford is exceptional. We all make choices that affect our lives. Noone can really advise you on this difficult choice between two outstanding options. Welcome to adulthood. Good luck!</p>

<p>They both are top 20 schools, you can't go wrong, both are exceptional. Go wherever you think you will be happiest, you can't really choose wrong.</p>

<p>i'm also studying politics, and as jvon said, my professors def seem to be on the liberal side. the decision is up to you, but i also had cold feet before coming here and started thinking i should have just gone somewhere close to home. but i think i made the right choice.</p>

<p>and congrats to jvon on stanford winning the battle for the chapel</p>

<p>haha thanks maggie... stanford hall 7-0 interhall champs!! let the dynasty begin!!! lol</p>

<p>congrats jon</p>

<p>I was going to ask how the game went, thats awesome</p>

<p>Thanks for your help.
At this point I just need to learn more about Stanford. I'm not going to get a chance to have a serious visit (the best way to figure out a campus) since I'll be in South America for a while longer. It's a pain in the ass to apply while oversees (in terms of getting all the paperwork together), but that shouldn't be the reason I don't do it. Maybe I'll try the Stanford message board to find out more... It seems like the kids are much more interested in SAT scores and GPAs. They don't seem as down-to-earth as ND students, thats for sure.</p>

<p>Finally, my two visits to ND were awesome. The only concern I saw was the social life at ND. It seemed to be a lot of guys hanging with guys. (this is cool by me, but these guys seemed to almost NEVER hang with chicks). This was the same at the parties I went to. I also noticed a lot of guys just sitting around watching TV, even on the fri/sat nights. The dorm camaraderie seemed cool, but is there a lot going on during the weekends? South Bend isn't exactly the most happening town (which is fine). Is there a lot of people who just hang in their dorm every weekend?<br>
Also, I'd rather not have a TV in my dorm. Is this common?</p>

<p>Thanks
Connor</p>

<p>I noticed you said that ND students seem more down to earth. I kind of got that impression too, at least that ND hopefuls were more down to earth, anyways. It seems like everyone's just talking about what they like about ND and things like that. Compared to all the other top school boards, there are so few chance threads too, which is nice. A lot less stress here.</p>

<p>I can't really comment on the social life thing. As I've posted before, I go to a single-sex school, so like the single-sex dorm thing doesn't seem that big to me. I mean, I only see girls on weekends at this point. I think having them in classrooms again for the first time in 4 years will be odd. I mean, I work with girls at my job, but that's not the same as being in class with someone.</p>

<p>you should definitely visit stanford a few times before deciding to go there. i'm from CA as well and enjoy the same things you do (beach, surfing, weather, etc), but i would take ND over stanford any day. i think stanford is more focused on getting you a great job, not so much about taking a real-world approach to developing your knowledge. just an observation. stanford is all about connections, and bc of that, the student body tends to be very well-off and somewhat arrogant. i know a few middle-class kids who go there and claim that they're sorry they did bc if "you don't have a starbucks in one hand and a cell phone in the other, you don't fit in." from my visits there, it appears to be true.</p>

<p>ND is all focused on developing the complete individual, spiritually, academically, and socially. I've never gotten that impression from Stanford. Besides, if you're worried about the football team, don't apply to Stanford. Their upset over SC was fabulous yet short lived. Good luck in making your decision.</p>

<p>thanks a lot VC08. I never really visited Stanford as a prospective student. I went to Stanford baseball and basketball summer camp for 4 years growing up, but not much actual contact with the students. I'm gonna be here in Ecuador til the end of December, so I won't get to visit before I would apply. This is a bummer, but it's just the way things worked out. </p>

<p>You are definitly right about Notre Dame preparing the 'complete individual.' That is something that really drew me to ND in the first place. </p>

<p>Any comments on ND social life?</p>

<p>everyone disses the social life, but i have found it fine... i have visited some friends at state schools and, if u go off campus at ND, it's pretty much the same types of parties at state schools (only difference being the fraternities and how strict ND is about smoking weed)...are parties at state schools a lot better w/ big frats designed for parties??? yessss... of campus parties get REALLY crowded but all in all it's still a good time...</p>

<p>there are a lot of guys that do just sit around the dorms and are anti-social, but i like my group of friends and they are all social and we have a cool group of girlfriends as well... it's not nearly as bad as everyone makes it seem... off campus parties can get pretty wild, and even the dorm ones where people clear out all their furniture are a good time too...</p>

<p>another thing: you are allowed to drink in guys dorms, which, evidently is "unbelievable"? my friends that visited me from other colleges were like freaking out--"u guys are ALLOWED to drink in here? but it's illegal, that doesn't even make sense, how does your rector not care?"... so it's not that bad here--the social life is what you make of it...</p>

<p>in conclusion... the pluses from other aspects of ND far outweigh what it is lacking in the social scene (which isn't really that much at all)</p>

<p>hope that helps</p>

<p>You cant go wrong with either school. I think they are very similar in many ways. I am in love with Notre Dame's campus, but the only one I can compare it to is Stanford's. Stanford's campus is amazing, I knew I was somewhere special when I was walking the grounds.</p>

<p>I get the same feeling at Notre Dame to a stronger, more centered state. </p>

<p>You can't go wrong. Notre Dame's social justice programs are some of the best in the country, so if that's is what you are looking for than I cant find any other college that would be better than ND.</p>

<p>Good Luck man, Im sure you will make the decision that best fits you!</p>

<p>Go Irish</p>

<p>i can't imagine stanford has a better social life than ND. sure, it has sweet weather, but ND people just seem like they'd be more well-rounded. i know i'm biased, but it's not like at stanford you're gonna have a way crazier social life or anything.</p>

<p>I am a Californian too, ninth generation born and raised here just for the record. I went high school in San Diego as well (St. Augustine). Let me say that the first year adjustment to Notre Dame was tough, just because it was all new and everything, but I would not trade it for anything know in my sophomore year. </p>

<p>You have worries about the weather. Yeah it sucks some times, but I just came from LaFortune and I was wearing a tshirt and shorts, no jacket. It's weird like that. And, being a SoCal guy, snow can be pretty awesome to screw around with, like keeping a snowball in your freezer waiting to unleash that thing during finals week in May.</p>

<p>Socially, yeah some guys watch some TV, not me personally, but my roomates and I have a 120 inch projector, with the Xbox, N64 and PS2, we just got Guitar Hero 3 today. I don't play any of the video games and really our room is the definition of glorious excess and I feel bad sometimes about having so much crap (we've had a Christmas tree all semester, and 3 VCRs that we don't use) but sometimes you just want to relax with the guys and play Smash Brothers. As for guys with guys socializing, I mean that's just fraternizing, if you're not into brotherly love then I don't know what to say. I'm chilling in the basement of Cavanaugh right now with my girlfriend, opposite sexes interact. If you go into any frat house you would expect to see a lot of male-bonding well that's what goes on here, just on a larger scale because men's halls are big. But don't think that there isn't interaction, I mean we have hormones c'mon. I know we're all Catholic and such, but sexile happens, I saw it this week in fact. </p>

<p>You're commitment to social justice, especially in Latin America is right up Notre Dame's ally. The largest minority population on campus is Hispanic, it's not exactly like home-there are no taco shops-but if you want to practice Spanish you won't have a hard time finding a native speaker to strike up a conversation with. Further, Latin America supplies ND with the bulk of its foreign students, because it has such good rep in Latin America. Over the summer, I had a juco professor who was from Chile and when I told her that I went to Notre Dame she was all excited and told me how much she liked the Fighting Irish and such. Last week I was at a formal dinner, I was sitting at a table with an assistant provost and on of the young ladies at our table told us about how she spent her summer in Buenos Aires. She had been to Argentina in high school and as a freshman got a grant from ND to spend this last summer doing research in Buenos Aires. I don't know how many other colleges give grants to freshmen for research abroad. I know another sophomore who spent her summer in Honduras at an orphanage teaching through the Center for Social Concerns. There is a girl in my Catholic Social Teaching class who spent fall break in Ecuador, paid for by ND. A group of ND students and professors goes to School of the Americas protest in Georgia every year. You can major in Latino Studies, or minor in Latin American Studies. The Peace Studies program here is money. Political Science is one of the best departments (after philosophy and theology and maybe anthropology). Academically ND is probably a great fit for your interests, especially if you are interested in Latin America.
That was a bit scatter-brained but I hope it makes sense.</p>

<p>As for the football aspect of it: hey, it can't get any worse, and if nothing else, running in StoneHendge in your boxers once a year after beating Michigan State or UCLA or whoever is worth it. </p>

<p>Don't worry about politics, I have professors who are Catholics and big time Dems. I have a roommate who is an ultrafascist Catholic and he lives next to a hyperliberal diehard democrat, which creates good conversation but nothing violent or intimidating. Based on my own analysis the Observer (school newspaper) tends liberal, but that is countered by the Rover which is unabashedly conservative and Common Sense would be classified liberal just by its anti-imperialist agenda which is really just one of social justice (again something in line with your interests). </p>

<p>Three semesters here now and I've never had a TV in my personal room, which is easier and less distracting I think. I actually didn't even have a fridge until second semester last year because some sophomores gave it to me for free, I still use it now. </p>

<p>And don't get caught with weed, that's auto suspension, not expulsion but a semester off, which may or may not be relaxing. Hookah is chill, there's probably more hookah here than in the 619, but less marijuana of course, which is good because I always hated the pot heads in high school. </p>

<p>During the warm weather, which has lasted extremely long this year, it's just awesome to walk around at night on the weekend and see people out on the quad with blankets just chilling and the sort-of-cutsies-but-not-really ND couples on the benches and you can hear all the music coming from Dillon, Alumni and Morrissey and Reckers is packed and the cabs are rolling at Main Circle and of course NDSP is making the rounds, it's just so vibrant. I went to Stanford to visit a friend last year in May, it was Saturday night, I didn't see any people, I didn't here any noise, he couldn't tell where any parties were, and he resolved to watching Kingdom of Heaven while drinking to "that's what she said" moments, which is fine, I don't drink but I like the movie. But there wasn't the same vibrancy that Notre Dame has. That's not a crack on Stanford, but just the way I saw it one weekend when I was there. What I will crack on Stanford is that its "lake" doesn't have any water in it, Notre Dame's two lakes, do have water and ducks and geese and swan, and Fisher Regatta and this old dude who fishes out by Carroll Drive. </p>

<p>I hope some of this may have helped, based on what I know, I think you would have a love for ND after you're here. I came out of a similar situation (619, Berkeley was my other financially viable option, I had never seen so many white people-although my roommate is from Kenya and my girlfriend is Mexican so it's not like everyone is white) and I didn't buy it at first, and I thought about leaving, but I'm glad that I didn't. Sleep on it, pray on it, jump on it (esoteric reference to BC peprally), and I'm sure that you will make the right decision. If you want to know any more I'll check this thread again.</p>

<p>Peace, Love and Cuddle Puddles
B.Payne</p>