<p>thanks, but thats kind of vague... is it like a huge reach (less than 10% chance) or more of a possiblity like 40-50% chance?</p>
<p>I would put HYP and Duke at under 5%. Wellesley and UNC at 10%</p>
<p>what about northwestern, u of michigan ann arbor, u of wisconisn madison</p>
<p>Yogurt, I'm a bit perplexed by your posts. There is not much of a mystery. Have you looked at averages for your school? Have you looked at scattergrams for your high school? There really are not many surprises. If you are asian or white applying to top colleges, there is a lot of history confirming what it takes. If you plan to defy odds, you should have a solid reason why you think that's possible. The top 15 schools get harder every year. A great essay helps, but the fundamentals need to be there!</p>
<p>i am just trying to get a lot of opinions and see which ones seem to be most common. Other people on the wellesley site said that wellesley would be a great match. obviously there are some contradictions, so i'm just trying to see what the majority say. Also, since opinions on my chances at wellesley contradict, i was just wondering why wellesley would be so hard for me to get into. I checked on wellesley website that that median act is 29.</p>
<p>I think you're in @ both Wisconsin and Michigan. I'd retake the ACT to be safe (30+ is nearly auto admit with your stats @ Wisconsin) and for scholarships/honors colleges</p>
<p>Yogurt really, the median or average includes all of the people that Wellesley wants: URMs, athletes, development candidates. All white/asian candidates need to be above. What is the mystery? If a bunch of people claim you can get in will you believe them? This is all fact based!!!!</p>
<p>Around what percentage of URM, athlete, etc. applicants fall below or on the average for Wellesley or other top tier schools? Just curious, because by the sound of it, the majority of admittees are minorities with lower-than-average scores ;) Just need something confirmed and straightened out, thanks :)</p>
<p>Hm, so so if one person tells you that you won't get in, you would believe them? What a fallacy. If anything, why don't we call the website suzeconfidential.com, or something less cheesy.</p>
<p>I like that idea Ivy! Look, there is so much BS on this site, kids with low scores assuring each other SATs really don't matter that much, that I think someone has to tell the truth. It is really easy by looking at different scattergrams, at facts the schools publish and at demographic trends to have some pretty solid conclusions for schools outside of HYPSM.</p>
<p>To answer Krabble, almost 50% of elite schools are comprised of athletes, URMs, legacies, and "special", hooked, candidates. A very large portion of those groups will have below average/median scores for the school. So it's hard not to conclude the vast majority of the unhooked have scores above the average/median.</p>
<p>I understand the feel good part of telling people they have a good chance. The thing is, imagine how awful they feel in Dec/April when the truth comes crashing down. At least now there's time to get real and fall in love with schools where you have a strong chance. If you're one that defies the odds and gets into a reach, it will be a great surprise. Personally I prefer that kind of a surprise to the kind that Andi's son got (see parents board). A very high scorer who got rejected everywhere he applied, including Oberlin where his score were far above average.</p>
<p>i agree with the idea that students should by no means reassure people inorder to make them feel confident when they have no chance. I was also just wondering if my situation was a hook?</p>