<p>I believe so. I just read an article about huge waitlists and stuff.</p>
<p>obviously yeah.</p>
<p>heck yeah, this place is so overcrowded.</p>
<p>I’m enrolled in a section, but i had to seat down on the ground with 10 other waitlists because there aren’t enough chairs…amazing.</p>
<p>I think tightening admissions standards, contracting the number of admits, and encouraging incoming students to defer or go to another campus would be wise. It was overcrowded when I was there, and it has just gotten worse. </p>
<p>A lot of the budget shortfalls and complaints come from admitting far too many students and too many students accepting. Funneling students towards less crowded UCs or CSUs would probably be beneficial for the system as a whole, with the options of transferring in later – though with very high standards. “Okay, you get to go to UCM/UCR/UCSB for two or three years, and if you do really well, you might be able to move up to UCB/UCLA/UCSD.” or incentives to stay at the original school. The benefit of funneling bright applicants into ‘lesser’ UCs and the CSU system would also benefit the ‘lesser’ UCs and CSU by giving these students to be the brightest lights of their campus, which in turn attracts equally bright students and more endowments, etc – hopefully. Though the logistics are very difficult to fathom. It’d be nice if it worked out that way at least.</p>
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<p>Here are three incentives I thought of from the get go… the CSU thing might be a hard sell, but whatever… we’ll stick with UC for the purposes of this:
At a less crowded UC campus – easier access to classes and possibly personal attention.
At a less crowded UC campus – higher likelihood of getting into a double or even single dorm and easier to transfer rooms if roommate situation is bad.
At a less crowded UC campus – more resources allocated to individual students, so less likely to be lost in the flood of students.</p>
<p>They used to have programs with people staying at Merced two years with guaranteed transfers to UCB/LA/SD/I. The program apparently was a failure as the class of 2013 was the last class to be given those deferred admission guarantees.</p>
<p>^ the opportunity to be the brightest lights on their campus … I need to slow down.</p>
<p>I really think they should cut down on transfers to UCB and UCLA. The 3.5 GPA Community College transfers that got 1700- SATs in high school bring the academic reputation of the top schools down.</p>
<p>Just do what other state flagships do: stop admitting in-state applicants with abysmal to average stats and use that space for highly qualified OOS applicants to charge them full tuition.</p>
<p>Problem solved.</p>
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<p>And this.</p>
<p>Haas is forced to admit 1/3 of its available spots to transfers becasue it has the misfortune of being the only business major in the UC system.</p>
<p>It’s always been a bit crowded. about 4.5k freshman are admitted each application cycle. I almost never see the same face twice in all the years here which is my metric of overcrowded. </p>
<p>I agree with admitting qualified OOS and charging them full tuition while cutting back on sub-par in-state admissions.</p>
<p>I agree with the major statements above, yeah.</p>
<p>Hypothetically speaking, I think we’d get rid of some of the lower side of the student population if the UCs just drafted up a better reasoning-based test set and had it as a supplement. I know far too many people who can memorize things with ease but fall flat on their faces whenever any actual thinking gets involved.</p>
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<p>The problem with that argument is that 25th and 75th percentiles of transfer admits are 3.72 and 3.76, thus very few transfers actually have <3.5 GPAs. Most of them have stellar GPAs even by CC standards.
<a href=“http://students.berkeley.edu/admissions/transfer.asp[/url]”>http://students.berkeley.edu/admissions/transfer.asp</a></p>
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Quoted for truth. Getting a score >700 on SAT math and the Math IIc is extremely easy when you have a Ti-89 or any other CAS during the test. Back when I took Math IIc, I did pretty much every problem with the solve() function and managed a 790.</p>
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Hmm, I think CC standard is the problem here. </p>
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That’s too bad – the Ti-89 costed you 10 points.</p>
<p>According to Statfinder, the average CCC UC admit and enrollee has a GPA between 3.37 and 3.40
[University</a> of California: StatFinder](<a href=“http://statfinder.ucop.edu/reports/schoolreports/school_academic_characteristics.aspx?atpCode=4494&Year=2008-09&Type=communitycollege]University”>http://statfinder.ucop.edu/reports/schoolreports/school_academic_characteristics.aspx?atpCode=4494&Year=2008-09&Type=communitycollege)</p>
<p>If we assume that the average CCC student is UC-bound (and thus this average GPA is representative of all CCC students), getting >3.7 in a 3.4 environment is still a feat. Keep in mind Berkeley itself has an average of ~3.3.</p>
<p>only because of so many MCBers and engineers. lulz</p>
<p>Left, you don’t have to assume. The average CCC students referenced in that table are all UC-bound.
The numbers say Cal is more selective than other UCs for transfers, and nothing more. IMHO, it’s easier to get a 3.7 from a CC than from a competitive highschool. Most competitive highschool kids with a 3.7 GPA don’t get to go to Cal.
The problem with the transfer system is that a fixed(and large) number of spots are mandated from the transfer pool regardless of absolute academic standard.
Maybe allowing inter-campus transfers to compete with CC transfers is a step in the right direction. As of now, inter-campus transfers are like interracial marriages in the 50’s.</p>
<p>I really can’t say how competitive 4 year schools are since i haven’t attended them.
But i know how CC is like…and i would have to say …
But transfers definately bring down the reputation of Berkeley.
Every kids that i know who are in CC know that they will get into UCB as transfers if they get like a 3.7+, which they know they will get.
Obviously, 3.7 at UCI or UCD will be harder than 4.0 at CC.</p>
<p>everyone knows transferring from CC to cal is a cake…
i worked my butt off to get into a school like this?</p>
<p>You are assuming that getting a 3.7 in a CC is a cake. Getting a 3.7 is definitely easier at CC than a UC, but that does not mean it is outright easy. There is hard work required, it might not be as hard as getting that kind of GPA elsewhere, but it is still hard work.</p>
<p>3.7 at CC is a cake. I would even say AP classes in HS are much harder than CC.</p>