Or is this just exuberant jocularity? Nay or Yah?
oh brother- here we go again!
and of course the frat defenders will say “its not the fraternities fault”… 8-|
Yes, some frat defenders will say “its not the fraternity’s fault.”
Why? Well, this was said by one member. And in fact the evidence showed that other fraternity members were immediately seen trying to get the drunk guy to calm down and shut up. So why should a group of guys be punished in any way for doing the right thing?
In addition, people ought to be able to say whatever they darn well please, no matter how offensive, without fear of punishment. Even if the entire fraternity had joined in the chant – which they didn’t – no crime would have been committed and therefore no punishment would be warranted.
I’m all for the fraternities being obviously horrible-it makes it that much easier for girls to stay far, far away from them.
^^^LOL! good luck with getting college girls to stay far, far away from fraternities.
This is horrible but some college girls do stay away from frat boys. They might socialized but that’s it. Some are not stupid.
@Joblue, you need to broaden your horizons. Some – in fact MANY – girls chose schools precisely because they frown on the Greek system and the shenanigans (and alcoholism, boorish behavior and rape) associated with frats.
There are many, many students (male and female) who want no part of greek life and may choose a school in part because it has no greek system.
Sigh
Yes, I do know that many students including girls, avoid schools with any greek life at all so no, my horizons do not particularly be broadened in that area. I’ve been on this board far too long to have any illusions about that.
My point (which I thought was obvious) is that on campuses which do have GLOs, the girls do not tend to stay far, far away from fraternities. Contrary to the beliefs of the anti-greek hysterics, these girls are no more stupid than the girls who feel good about themselves for deciding that all men in fraternities are drunken rapists.
But I’m sure you all know that, right 
What a misleading headline. One guy being inappropriate is not “a fraternity chanting.” The article does not say if the fraternity kicked him out or how they handled it. That is what I care about.
“anti-greek hysterics”
Classy. So classy I will just leave this conversation. You go right ahead and impress others with your wit and charm. Learned it at a frat, did you?
Oh, for doG’s sake…
I went to a school with a large Greek community and loved it. Yes, there are some of the stereotypes that manifest amongst a small number of individuals (heavy drinking and promiscuity), but the majority of the community brings a huge benefit to its members, including the females. I loved it and think that many people don’t seem to understand the benefits of being a part of the Greek system.
The down side of the Greek system is that it is exclusionary- many who want to be included in a group are not allowed. Benefits- only for those who get in, not for the rest who want to be involved. Thank goodness for schools where Greeks are marginal to campus life- they do their thing and 90% of the students ignore them. Of course those in the in crowd will love that experience or they wouldn’t bother with it.
Freedom of speech does not include being able to say everything everywhere. The article said the student was no longer at UCF. I would be concerned with this young adult’s maturity. If condoned by the others in his group I would be appalled at their taking the horrible crime of rape lightly. There is no “exuberance of youth” when yelling that, no matter if sober or not.
The Greek system is very exclusionary. Right now I am seeing freshmen girls at a few different schools who are already a bit home sick, being rejected from every sorority while their friends are accepted. That’s a definite down side and lends itself to a bad start to the school year. I do not know why schools allow rushing when kids are still adjusting to being away from home.
My concern is whether each and every bad act by one student at one college or university really warrants its own thread on CC.
Apart from falsely shouting “fire” in a crowded theater or “fighting words,” it does or should. Not only should the fraternity not be punished for the drunken mouthings of a member, but neither should the idiot who said them, regardless of how offensive they might be.
If his behavior were to cause a true and reasonable fear of being raped, that’s another matter. So if he were to direct his comment at an individual in such a way that it posed an immediate threat then it constitutes assault, which is a criminal offense. But that doesn’t seem to be the case here. If the guy is disturbing the peace by being loud, have him arrested for it. But the content of his speech should not matter.
What I find interesting is that someone videotaped this whole affair and rushed to the university to report the behavior. It sounds like something a 4-year-old would do.
Sigh…of course freedom of speech means you can say anything you want, everywhere.
Freedom of speech as referenced in the Constitution says that Congress can’t make any laws that abridges the freedom of speech. That’s it.
But of course there are consequences to some speech, whether it is shouting fire in a theater, or telling your boss they are a *$#@.
RE:“The down side of the Greek system is that it is exclusionary- many who want to be included in a group are not allowed.”
You can’t be serious with this statement.
Let me rephrase it in a more generalized sense: “The down side of Harvard is that it is exclusionary- many who want to be included in a group are not allowed.”
Exclusion is what A LOT of life is ALL ABOUT – some people get in, some don’t. Are you a human? Have you lived on this planet for any length of time?
Sorry, that’s just wrong.
"Freedom of speech does not include the right:
To incite actions that would harm others (e.g., “Shouting ‘fire’ in a crowded theater.”).
Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919).
To make or distribute obscene materials.
Roth v. United States, 354 U.S. 476 (1957).
To burn draft cards as an anti-war protest.
United States v. O’Brien, 391 U.S. 367 (1968).
To permit students to print articles in a school newspaper over the objections of the school administration.
Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier, 484 U.S. 260 (1988).
Of students to make an obscene speech at a school-sponsored event.
Bethel School District #43 v. Fraser, 478 U.S. 675 (1986).
Of students to advocate illegal drug use at a school-sponsored event.
Morse v. Frederick, __ U.S. __ (2007)."