simultaneous Major between HAAS Business and L&S Economics

<p>So I am considering applying for HAAS Business while getting a economics degree from L&S. From my understanding, to declare sim. major I need to fill the form 2 semester before starting the major. Now considering that economics is a capped major and HAAS requires an intense application process, am I suppose to declare sim. major without actually being accepted to these majors?</p>

<p>Any input about this "pathway" is welcomed. If you are currently a HAAS Business major and L&S Economics major (or know anyone that's doing this), I will love to hear from you.</p>

<p>Thank you and have a great day!</p>

<p>No, what you need to do is declare Econ first (if you are done with your prereqs spring semester of sophomore year). After you get the Econ major, you may find out that you get into Haas. When you get into Haas, start filling out the simultaneous degree forms. Get the forms signed by the Econ advisor. Then take your forms to Haas. They will keep your forms till summer, and then you have to take them back to the L&S dean to be completed. In short, you HAVE to be accepted into the majors before declaring a simultaneous major.</p>

<p>@Sparetire</p>

<p>Thank you for your clarification.</p>

<p>I thought it was announced that econ/haas was no longer an option because the two majors were so similar?</p>

<p>I’ve never heard that. I know of a couple of students at Haas (juniors) who are majoring in both. You can major in both, but some people don’t advise it since the two majors require classes that repeat the same information.</p>

<p>“I thought it was announced that econ/haas was no longer an option because the two majors were so similar?”</p>

<p>Economics and business administration aren’t really all that similar. They make the business majors take micro/macro but besides that they are really totally different. A lot of business administration majors complain about the micro/macro requirement, precisely because economics and business administration aren’t that similar. </p>

<p>Business administration is more for if you want to be, e.g. an accountant. Some students get jobs in consulting, finance, marketing. Generalization would be entry level jobs for big companies. The classes are geared towards that (e.g. accounting classes teach you the GAAP accounting rules). I think it’s fair to say that business administration is more vocational. </p>

<p>As a field of study, economics is based on theory of how the economy works and empirical evidence. Some econ majors do go into the fields mentioned above but by no means all. </p>

<p>Kids who want to do business administration would probably be better off doing a double major. In general, the haas core is not quantitative/analytical enough for a lot of the really interesting and higher paid jobs that you can get right out of college. The fact that business administration only requires one semester of calculus and basic statistics is telling. You don’t need more than that if you’re going to be an accountant but I don’t remember too many prospective business majors who’s goal it was to go into accounting. </p>

<p>I think that the new dean is trying to make the business major more quantitative. There is a new modelling course that may be added to the core requirements. That’s a start.</p>

<p>There seems to be a subtle bias in your post, phatnols. The way you put it makes it sound like Haas was more of a vocational/professional school rather than part of a major research university. It is a well known fact that business majors get paid higher on average not because they are “trained to become entry level employees” but they are put upon more rigorous curves to separate the cream of the crop from the rest. </p>

<p>Also, compared to other majors of similar prestige/ first year income (ie MCB, Physics, Engineering), both business and economics have a ridiculously small number of pre-req and requirement classes to graduate with a degree. This is why so many students are able to double major and still have extra space to take liberal arts classes. In comparison, many of my EECS/ Mech E. friends have the “luxury” of only taking 1-2 non-major class per semester for their entire 4 year college career.</p>

<p>Finally, you say that Business majors are only required to take one semester of calc/stats, but unless I’m mistaken, it is possible to do the same for econ majors. After all, the only class that requires Math 53 is Econ 101, which can be avoided by taking Econ 100.</p>

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This is utterly bad advice. You get a better job becasue of Haas and not becasue of XYZ major. You are better off using the time to go deeper into multiple business areas such as finance, marketing, management, entrepreneurship etc. This is particularly important since Haas is only a two-year program.

What kind of really interesting and higher paid jobs are you talking about and how many such jobs are out there?

You have no idea what real jobs entail.</p>

<p>Econ requires a year of calculus (2 semesters). Business requires one semester of calculus. Some high schoolers have more than that. Knowing high level math and statistics is incredibly useful, never want to just know the minimum to get by. </p>

<p>I am a Haas alumus, so don’t take offense. I want to make two points. First, economics and business aren’t really at all the same. I think that was clear from my earlier post (above). </p>

<p>Second, the best advice I would have for someone, whether they are a Haas undergraduate or not, is to try to create as many options for themselves as possible while in college. For a business administration major, a simultaneous degree, especially something quantitative, will help create options (e.g. internships, graduate or professional school, and different career paths that might not usually be available to business majors). With that goal in mind, the business administration major by itself is not rigorous enough in my opinion. If you combine it with something quantitative, then you’re going to be better off. Economics is one option, although undergraduate economics can be also not very rigorous if one chooses. </p>

<p>Haas surely was a good experience for me, but the opportunities created by my other major and the more rigorous, non-major courses that I took are what ultimately were the most valuable. In industry, you will be well compensated if you can develop the right mixture of technical skills, understanding of theory, data, and how they come together. </p>

<p>If you are a business alum, you know that the core courses aren’t really at all difficult. Some are interesting. To be perfectly honest, the classes are low level. Organizational behavior is a good example. The core finance class that a lot of people find to be one of the most difficult core classes is also pretty elementary. The reason why people say it is hard is because it is at their highest level of math/statistics training or slightly beyond. The concepts aren’t hard. Even 131, which most people say is a class that every Haas undergrad should take and I agree with that, is essentially a class that teaches that you can always argue multiple sides in business decisions and that there are no rules that you can always apply. It is an interesting class no doubt but nobody would argue that it is rigorous. </p>

<p>There’s a reason why most schools (e.g. Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Princeton are a few) don’t have business majors (and still place students into great ‘business’ jobs). It’s because the skills that one learns in an undergraduate business major aren’t really irreplaceable, e.g. finance companies are going to have a 2 week crash course in finance and accounting. You can learn those skills pretty easily with out majoring in it. Quantitative training and good decision making is harder to pick up on the fly. </p>

<p>Sunfish, I am not sure what kind of real jobs you are thinking of that you say I don’t know what they entail. Maybe clerical work? In my opinion, the more interesting careers in the business world require analytical skills. For example, in quantitative marketing jobs in silicon valley you’re much more likely to find majors other than business, even though marketing is a core business class. Note that many Haas graduates in silicon valley work in accounting or corporate finance (which in silicon valley is not these firms’ core business, which at least in my opinion, is not an ideal placement – consider being an accountant or corp finance analyst at Google vs. somewhere else). </p>

<p>You want to have as many options when you graduate as possible. I think too often Haas students don’t think in terms of creating option value. I think Lyons is on the right track by adding the modelling course.</p>

<p>@phatnols
I think you may be generalizing your own unique experience. Super majority of jobs in business, biological sciences, IT, various engineering etc. do not require the actual use of one iota of calculus, nor do they require any statistics beyond the high school stuff. The fact is, which you have correctly pointed out for the Haas business curriculum, what you need to know can and will be learned on the job. As such, college education is more about developing general skills and building character than acquiring specific job know-hows. This, however, will not stop employers from profiling job applicants based on college brands and majors.
Your implication that by majoring in XYZ and taking more math classes will land you the really interesting and higher paid jobs is flawed.

I’m sorry but I can’t resist the stereotype: aren’t all lower level accounting/finance jobs in the valley taken by people whose english is not their native language?

Why bother if you have a very strong brand and can place your histroy or african amercian studies grads into major wall street firms(at least it used to be)? Haas is nothing but a product of branding within Cal to create an identifiable group of high achievers.

Guess what, many low paid/high paid, entry level/senior level, interesting/boring jobs are clerical in nature. You said that if you contend to be a lowly accountant, then one semester of calculus and statistics is sufficient. For anything else, you need more. I don’t think you would have made that statement had you known what real jobs entail.
Not too many people land jobs at hedge funds developing trading systems or at Google developing the next generation search engine or ad system. Yes, these jobs are generally interesting and higher paid, and yes, they likely require strong quantitative and analytical skills(programming too I bet). But it’s wrong to imply that jobs that only need basic math are “clerical.”</p>

<p>yeah i totally agree with the posters that say haas is not quant. im currently doubleing in haas n econ and im doing mandatory summer school rite now and let me tell u if real haas classes are anything like what summer entails. id say haas is the most bullcrap college on campus. like haas classes are so watered down its embarrasing to see kids who complain about finance and accounting when i stress about stat 134 or stochastic processes n whatnot. a business major doesnt prepare u for **** besides netowrking and meeting powerful alumni. u dont learn anything valuable quantitative skills that ud be able to use in a real high paying quant. job like being data analyst. just my 2 cents</p>