‘Smart pills’ are on rise, is taking them wise?

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I, and many others, do not feel that there is anything morally wrong with getting an advantage using amphetamines, and we will continue to reap the benefits of recalling information more quickly, staying focused, and performing well with little sleep.

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How about the concept of bootlegging drugs and buying/selling drugs without prescriptions? Nothing morally wrong with that either? Before you even have the debate of whether it is right to use performance enhancers for the brain, these kind of performance enhancers need to be available on the free market - if youre getting them on the blackmarket (prescription drugs obtained without prescriptions) then theres a problem with that action even if you find nothing morally wrong with performance enhancers.</p>

<p>I think it's funny that people still complain about the ethicality of steroids or "smart pills" given the culture's disposition towards x altering substances in general.</p>

<p>College students are drugged up on alcohol, marijuana, painkillers, crack, caffeine, speed, ecstacy, steroids (athletes), hookah, etc. etc. The same person that's stuck on alcohol, marijuana, and pain killers hates Barry Bonds. It's rampant hypocrisy. You can't just single out one recreational substance. I think people just need to realize that we live in and support a substance abusing culture. If you're going to call out the ethics then start acting on principle and start consciously avoiding all unnecessary mind/body altering substances :)</p>

<p>Ok, wall of text coming up haha. Just as a precursor, while I can see how using these pills will help put you ahead, I am firmly against their use because of ethical issues. The rest of the post will explain as well as respond to other ppl's posts.</p>

<p>( Balmes Pavlov )
"you go to school to succeed, these pills seem to help you do that without hurting anyone else, and they're just as readily available to those who look for them so I don't see what the ethical issue is behind it."</p>

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<li>It seems a lot of people on these boards carry this type of thinking, but I don't think this is right. In a nutshell, in today's society, if you choose to go the academic route, you ARE competing with all other students and workers for an intelliectual job and its pay. It's not just an individual competition so you ARE hurting other people, much like steriod-use would be seen as unfair competition in sports. The only way your idea of "not hurting anyone" would hold up would be if you were going to school ONLY to seek education, but college is a high price to pay for knowledge. Almost all people will acknowledge that they go to college mainly to become competitive for jobs in the future. Then again, this begs the question, why would you need to be forced to concentrate if you were only seeking knowledge, not the grade. As a last note, as DrumNDukie said, just because they're readily available doesn't make its use ethical.</li>
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<p>( GlitterHairDye )
"I don't understand how this is a moral issue. How are you cheating yourself? It does not make you smarter it just gives you the tools to study and be more efficient. No pill is going to raise your IQ. Some people just use them for when they study or take tests so that they don't end up staring out the window the entire time. The pill never gives you the right answer. Nothing unethical about that."</p>

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<li>You can apply this same logic to steroid use for athletes. Technically, you can't be physically stronger than a certain level. It won't increase your maximum. Steroids will never help you run, it only helps you run faster, with less training. It's the same logic, but we feel that it's unethical as it gives ppl "an unfair edge" to the competition.</li>
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<p>( Balmes Pavlov )
"Steroids allows the body heal faster from workouts although in the long run it actually causes the body to break down. This means that the user still has to put all the hard work in but it does make it easier for them to get more results out of their work than the athlete who doesn't use steroids."</p>

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<li>Your body naturally makes amounts of steriods within your body, and we use steriods to combat allergic reactions and such. However, taken in larger amounts, it starts to negatively affect your body. The same idea is applied to these smart pills. It helps people with true medical conditions, but when people take them in a way they're not meant to be used, in essence abuse them, then who knows what it does? In my opinion, steroids are known to be bad for you because we can physically see what happens to the body. When we're messing with brain chemistry, something we largely don't comprehend, how do we guage how it messes it up? Anything we do causes a change, my opinion is that we just don't know enough to tell how much it's changing, or in certain cases, damaging. The idea of it being easier is discussed in previous and following responses.</li>
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<p>( Micklerobe )
"My point which you didn't really grasp was it's not directly cheating as so you are saying. You take the pill and you don't instantly do better on tests. You still have to work, it just enables you to do that. Why wallow in mediocracy becuase you have trouble focusing."</p>

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<li>The reason to "wallow in mediocracy" is because that is what you can accomplish with your natural ability. Your natural ability accounts for everything, including your personality and study habits. To take pills to "enhance" it would not be natural anymore. Apply this to sports, and you could take your sentence and say "why only be mediocre at sports? Steroids will enable you to be better. Of course you don't instantly do better, but it opens up venues you normally wouldn't have."</li>
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<p>( Balmes Pavlov )
"People just like to nitpick when it comes to what substances are unethical or not. We're taught from early on that we have to succeed anyway possible and yet when we find ways to do so it's looked down upon."</p>

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<li>The problem with this thinking is that while some people do follow the "do whatever necessary philosophy", in the end if everyone did that there wouldn't be any order in this world. This really doesn't work because humans, I guess unfortunately for you, value ideals like honesty, integrity, honor, etc. that often times impede someone's success. True, we're taught early on to succeed, but I don't think many people are teaching "in any way possible".</li>
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<p>conclusion from me: I believe that these smart pills are like steroids for the mind. They provoke responses within your body that allows you to perform better than you normally can. In today's world, we are competiting with each other for things. I don't think many people can honestly say they go to college EXCLUSIVELY to study; rather you are going to college so you can be competitive in the job market. Thus, because steroids increases your ability to compete, they should be treated as steroids and not allowed. All that, however, is only ideologically. What other ppl say is true, today you do whatever you can survive. Does it happen regardless of what we say? yes. Is it fair? depends on your perspective heh... but I say no.</p>

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<p>I completely agree with you; and couldn't have said this better myself. maybe this should become a temporarily pinned topic?</p>

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<p>I'm just wondering what the thinking behind this is. If you applied this to sports and steroids, isn't that the same idea? You can't run quite as fast, so you use steroids to enhance your training? They don't automatically build muscle; you still have to work out but they DO enhance your abilities as well as accelerate improvement. If steroids are treated with disdain, why should steroids for the mind be treated differently? If you naturally are at a certain level, wouldn't artificially changing yourself in order to try and gain "an edge" be ethically wrong?</p>

<p>Furthermore, to clarify, when you say "people who can't", I'm not sure who you are referring to. If it's people with serious ADD or other medical conditions, I'm all for it. IF it's just someone who can't settle down to study because they'd rather be partying, or people who can do it but just want an "extra edge", I am totally against it.</p>

<p>I think that South Park put it best in the episode "The Losing Edge."</p>

<p>Taking steroids is just like pretending to be handicapped at the Special Olympics. Because you're taking all the fairness out of the game. But I know now that even if you do win on steroids, you're really not a winner.</p>

<p>UCLAri, we have minors on this site ya know (p-p...p..pussy bit)</p>

<p>but nahhhhhhhh i'm sure the drugs detrimentally affect the brain somehow..so it's fair game in my opinion</p>

<p>NeedAdvice,</p>

<p>I'm sure these pure minors have seen far worse things, and besides, I was only quoting the show verbatim. If anyone was offended, then I'm sorry.</p>

<p>But I've seen MUCH worse on the site.</p>

<p>I soo agree with everything ShadowNife said. The drugs play around with your brain. Who knows what might happen to you if you take some? They're still new and I personally would never recommend anyone taking any drug not prescribed by a doctor.</p>

<p>In order for anything to be considered justified and fair, all the people involved have to be on a level playing field. Of course, this can never be truly achieved - there's the difference between the student who was raised to value education who finds it easy to study because of innate obligation, and the student dealing with issues at home and finding it hard to even get a study space. Some might argue that our differences - gender, race, age, culture - make everyone have their own advantages. That's true, but those things are outside our control. </p>

<p>There's also the advantages of the "rich kids" whose parents can afford private tutoring, special lessons vs. those who cannot afford it. This is considered unfair, right? A person with ability cannot fulfill their full potential because of economic status. </p>

<p>If you have access to and money to buy these pills, you have an advantage over someone else. You're chemically inducing yourself to perform better than you usually do. In our world, I think the less advantages people have over others, the better. For things to be fair, either all students will take pills, or no students will take pills. The latter is better than the former - those people buying pills from the blackmarket are financially supporting God-knows-what. To me, it just makes sense that no one should take these pills unless they are diagnosed with a disease that requires this medication.</p>

<p>"What about for those that just want to get higher grades in general and use it to focus more on all assignments not just to do last minute studying?"</p>

<p>Here's a novel idea:</p>

<p>Work harder.</p>

<p>Wait, what's your response? "But I'm still not perfect! Tommy does better than me!"</p>

<p>Get over it. Some people are more naturally gifted in areas than others. So goes life.</p>

<p>the search for perfection continues....</p>

<p>I just want to scream...don't you guys get it??!!!!!</p>

<p>Every medication has the possibility of side effects. If it were safe for everyone to take, it would already be OTC. This drug has potential for abuse and addiction.</p>

<p>I just don't understand the pursuit of perfection...taking the easy way out...everything has to be easy?? Trust me, life in general is not easy so get used to it.</p>

<p>For those that say it doesn't hurt them...good luck playing russian roulette.</p>

<p>UCLAri: I was just being facetious, aka i was kidding.
The net doesn't really portray the sarcastic overtone well.</p>

<p>it's just adderall, I've never heard of any of my friends having an adverse reaction to it, seems to work pretty good to me. Sometimes you have to take a chance and roll the dice a bit.</p>

<p>i was on adderall for about a year. it turned me into a zombie. i barely slept but for 2 hours a night and i lost my appetite during the day, making my body quite unhealthy. it hurt my relationships with my friends and boyfriend. even my a couple of my teachers were concerned about my behavior. they could tell that my teeth were always grinding or chattering and that i never got enough sleep. finally, i decided to see what would happen if i weren't on it. i got off and i felt much, much better. i took the ACT with adderall and then again without. the test scores were virtually the same (i did one point better without adderall on my composite score). </p>

<p>that being said, i don't hate it or anything. i just think that it doesn't work for most people. it can make the problem worse. if it is working out for you, then that's great.</p>

<p>OK first to lighten up the mode: <a href="http://www.fulleffectdesigns.com/newelement/cmd/nosmartpills.jpg%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.fulleffectdesigns.com/newelement/cmd/nosmartpills.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>As for how I feel, I will start off by saying that I am by no stretch of the imagination the smartest person in this topic and my English and writing skills are crap but some of you smart people who talking a whole lot of stupid right now. If it gives you an unfair advantage over someone it is cheating. The article even says these pills give you the ability to use short term memory better thus giving you an advantage or someone who did not take them. What is stopping you from concentrating without the drugs? If you can seriously not force yourself to sit there and study for 2-3 hours either you are lazy/disciplined or you do have a problem. In which case go to your doctor and get your magic little pill that will let you get the grades you want and feel better about yourself. As for myself, I will keeping going without the drugs, ADD, and all.</p>

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<p>I love it when people think that class 2 controlled substances are just fluff.</p>

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<p>I love it when people think that class 2 controlled substances are just fluff.

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<p>[sarcasm]But UCLAri! These drugs are for GRADES!!! And GRADES(!!!) are THE most important thing!</p>

<p>Forget about the legality of taking non-prescribed Adderall. Forget about the adverse health affects that might jack you up. Forget about, you know, integrity and good character and taking the high road and learning to just buckle down and study. Grades are EVERYTHING: the law, my health and my ethical outlook be damned!!![/sarcasm]</p>

<p>No seriously, that's how a lot of people I know feel about it. Because, you know, there is no printed transcript of good character and honest achievement and academic integrity. But making sure your "real" transcript includes all A's? That's just priceless. <em>rolls eyes</em></p>

<p>It's better to discpline yourself and do the best you can on your own strength and intelligence than resort like an insecure coward to artificial means. There's a difference between being smart and getting good grades, believe it or not. </p>

<p>People who think they "need" smart pills are not what I would call smart. They need a pill to aid them in thinking and studying and performing more efficiently. Who are the truly intelligent? The people who discipline and train themselves to think and study and perform well. It doesn't always translate into higher grades for the latter, but no one is fooled into thinking that illegal, pill-induced, short-term efficiency is superior to the hard-earned life skill that is the ability to study well. </p>

<p>Many of my friends and a large number of my dormmates both use and sell Adderall that hasn't been actually prescribed for virtually any of them. I could buy any amount any time I wanted, for a very low cost everytime. Did I ever do it? No. Did it sometimes mean I didn't get as high a grade as I might have gotten with medication? Sure. But you know what? You deal with it and accept the fact that sometimes you can't do as well as you would like, but at least you didn't have to buy an illegal drug to achieve your dreams. I've never regretted it. </p>

<p>But friends who are getting haggard, who are getting dependent, who are losing more and more money-- and integrity-- by the pill count are beginning to.</p>

<p>Again, taking Adderall to improve your grades is like taking steroids to improve your performance. You're nothing but a big fat pussy. </p>

<p>Keep your "achievements," kids. I'd rather have my integrity anyday.</p>

<p>Here are my thoughts:</p>

<p>I suppose in some ways it's not so different from something like coffee. But I think coffee just indirectly helps you a little in your efforts, like how an athlete uses training weights. But when something as simple as taking pills can reap so much benefit that it really does seem unfair and artificial, and comparable to steriods.</p>

<p>I probably won't take them myself. Why? Because I value personal achievement. Sure, I can put little effort into studying 6 out of 7 nights of the week, then use some pills and cram, and get into Harvard. Is it so different from getting into Harvard because my parents donated 10 million dollars? Either way, it was really the pills / parents that got me in, not myself. I'd rather do without them, even if someone else takes pills and beat me, because it doesn't take anything away from my own accomplishments. I only aspire to do my best, and I'll be proud of whatever I accomplish if I put all my effort into it. I don't need pills.</p>

<p>Now, I can't change what other people do. If they don't feel this way and they want to use them, then I can't stop them. I can only make my own choices according to my own beliefs, and try to get other people to at least see my point of view. They could agree, or disagree. But I'm not sure we can say that this is absolutely ethical or absolutely unethical.</p>