So I shotgunned.. what's the big deal?

So, OP, have you started tracking the tasks for you FA applications to all 31 schools?

@fretfulmother, When you have no moral compass, every direction seems equally good.

@Midwestmomofboys, If one were to replace “Lying” with “Murdering,” I’m sure that even OP could see that as morally indefensible. But, I think he’s having a laugh, and we’re playing into it. I think I’ll go back to hibernation and come back another time. Or not.

@Baloney1011 I’m curious as to why the UC’s didn’t fall into the shotgun’s sights. You can get all of them with a single application, can’t you?

@butterfreesnd @epiphany That’s not what I meant to insinuate. Sorry

@Midwestmomofboys and @IxnayBob - and I know you might already have thought of this - so here’s just one of the problems with that line of thought: if it’s so darned fine and dandy to lie and cheat your way to “the top” then why would @Baloney1011 hide behind internet anonymity? He should be proud of how he maximized his efforts in this game, proud enough to announce it to all those colleges. So I conclude that he’s not actually content to behave this way, but is just another teenager who is stressed out of his mind and reacting poorly…

@jchan9423‌ Hahaha, a suitable analogy. Thank you for wording what I’ve had on my mind for the past week or so.

@fretfulmother‌ @Midwestmomofboys‌ I am indeed amoral, for all moralities are subjective nonsense - and hindrances on the spiritual development of the individual. But enough philosophy.

@JustOneDad‌ Unfortunately, I did not realize the December 1 deadline. That will forever be a black mark on my college application process. I know a few posters here will immediately jump on this as an opportunity to further criticize me as an unprepared, unlearned buffoon - go ahead. But to be fair, I’ve never been all too psyched about going that far out west anyhow.

But you have Colorado and Stanford on your list…

@Baloney1011 - I continue to admire your spunk and spirit! But…shouldn’t you be in school right now??

Do we want to start taking bets on Baloney’s chances for a top 30 school? I like his odds. :))

Its sad that your plan is to game the system from the get-go. Sorry but a moral fiber is a quality I think is important.
And sorry to disappoint, but no one is “studying” your posts. Its easy to read anyone’s posts under their profile. Its often helpful to see if a poster who is posting provocative is being consistent or disengenuous.

Ok I also went and scanned a few of OP’s posts from earlier years. One I didn’t understand is that he was explaining to other people how to get a 2400 on the SAT. Did he get a 2400 on the SAT? Maybe I missed something.

But what made me really sad (for him) is that in 2012 so many CC’ers gave him great advice about books to read, things to think about, reasons not to stress out, good paths to consider. And he ignored it all. Apparently OP is also an extra year or more young for his grade (he skipped 2nd grade) which could explain some of the lack of maturity, though there are plenty of younger teens who don’t lack a moral compass.

@fretfulmother‌ Your association of morality (or lack of it) with maturity is groundless. I don’t think you’ve been exposed to very much philosophy. But some of us need to be the iconoclasts and question what utilitarian benefits are brought about by the silly morals that you and your ilk embrace.

Most of what I remember about CC’ers from 2012 can be summarized by this post:

1. Accept you are not getting into Harvard.
2. Enjoy your life, keep getting good grades, and worry about college applications later.

That pretty much did it for me, and I realized I would have to find my own approach if I were to find my way into an Ivy or similar college.

Either way, thanks for the patronization, always welcome! :slight_smile: 8-|

@epiphany That’s not what I meant to insinuate. Sorry”

No problem, Cali. I just think the comments that followed were an opportunity to elaborate on some unspoken or underlying assumptions about college admissions, especially in some cultures: that it should be the direct and predictable result of natural virtue. And that’s why I explained it in that way. The results are neither (strictly in themselves) a confirmation nor a denial of the personal qualities of the applicant, and results cannot be expected to equate with effort, for reasons already discussed and probably obvious to you as well. But they’re not obvious to lots of people, so either there’s a resistance to how the process works on a practical level or there’s a failure to admit what they underlying assumptions are – assumptions not shared by Elite colleges in the United States of America.

Very interesting observations, @epiphany. I think we can all agree that morality is a prized character trait that is to be admired. But…what is morality? At the risk of taking this thread down another path (which I do not want to do…I’d rather keep it as an interesting experiment with our dear Baloney1011 as the guinea pig…can’t wait to see the results!) - There are many shades to morality, and the grey areas where clearly moral vs clearly immoral meet are debatable.

I am not convinced that higher education values morality as it should. The apps provide no place to evaluate it. Yes, there are letters of recommendation, but these evaluators are selected by the applicant, and he/she will not choose someone who may know negative things about him/her. Yes, some colleges may investigate an applicant’s social media, but this can be scrubbed or set to private - and in any event may not reflect the applicant’s true feelings about any subject.

Our society as a whole these days has countless examples of handsomely rewarding what some could see as immoral behavior.

So…setting morality aside completely, I am curious to see if this so-called “shotgun” approach is ultimately successful. And if it is, what does it say about the college application process today? Baloney1011 is the perfect subject for this experiment: he has the stats to keep him in the running at most/all of these colleges. So, will his somewhat faked interests carry the day for him? Dying to find out!

But OP, you aren’t gonna get into Harvard. Your GPA is too low. That won’t change if you apply to 30 other schools or 3 schools.

We’ll never know for sure, @prospect1. If indeed the quote in post #379 is accurate (“Lying is ethical and morally acceptable in my books”) all we will have is OP’s word on whether and where he got in. I’m afraid he is far from the perfect subject for this experiment. We don’t even know if the stats he claims are legitimate.

@Baloney1011 - if you want utilitarian, here it is: once people in a society start to know that someone is a bozo (and they will find out eventually) - they stop trusting that person, and that person loses on financial and social capital. There may be a small number of true sociopaths who “win” it all and never are moral and never are caught. I doubt you have the skills to be in that number, and you should be pleased about that.

@MidwestDad3 - very true! I guess we just have to take the results as anecdotal evidence…as we must take everything on an anonymous board without cited evidence.

@MidwestDad3 - perhaps we can persuade OP to post pictures of the actual results emails/letters - with his personal information deleted - unless that’s not permitted by the rules of the board.

Many schools will require all students to sign an honor code upon attendance. I was visiting a college just the other day that had each classes signatures framed and on the wall. they do take honesty, integrity and morality seriously at many campuses,especially the ones on the OPs list.