so what essays did you write?

<p>Whatever the decision result, I'm curious at what others wrote (partially as my younger sister will also be a potential UVA applicant this year). I'm not sure whether the essays were the thing that pushed me into admission (especially since I made 8 structural mistakes and/or omissions across my 3 essays), but this might help us all realise what worked and what didn't.</p>

<p>(I don't want to bog down the OP with 3 essays, so I'll wait till this thread gets replies first to show mine. I also realise the co-curricular question section in the online app can be potentially essayish.)</p>

<p>Hm, I really think that the essays have to be considered in context with the entire application. </p>

<p>Take mine for example - without seeing what I've done both in and out of school to make my career choice happen, an essay about what inspired me to make that choice (while interesting) doesn't really say much about me as an applicant. It's the difference between "Here's something this girl is passionate about, and look, here in her application there's a lot of stuff to support that," and "Okay, it's great that she's passionate about it and can write about it, but why doesn't the rest of her application fit with that? Is the essay total BS?" </p>

<p>That being said, I think it would probably be really helpful to prospective students next year to see a few college essays and what the results were. So, galoisien, how did you want to format all this?</p>

<p>Eh, I would think twice before actually sharing what you wrote with other people. I'd imagine it might even count as an honor violation. You're probably safe if you talk about the topic of your paper, but probably shouldn't go beyond that. :)</p>

<p>Yeah that's what I was thinking, too. ;) Great minds think alike, eh? </p>

<p>I did one about a book that particularly challenged the way I thought about my own actions and the motivations behind them, and kind of touches on what my long-term goals and interests are without actually coming out and saying it straight out. </p>

<p>Another one was about how computer science and language can go hand-in-hand, although it's not the combination people might think of at first. It talks about my passion for both of them and how they utterly fascinate me, the beauty of being able to create something that has many times the computational capacity of my own brain with just a little logic, and the power of language to realize the world as it should be. </p>

<p>So that's the condensed version. :)</p>

<p>What a great thread topic!</p>

<p>After looking through my essays, I saw some grammatical mistakes as well (after I sent them). Im not stressing too much about it, though - Im a math kinda guy anyway.</p>

<p>The only essays needed from my transfer application were more or less background essays ( why you want to go to UVA?, what did you do when you werent enrolled in school?). The one I got to be creative on asked 'if I could send one thing to a distant planet with intelligent life, what would it be and why?' I picked a rose - Dont laugh...it was a good paper haha</p>

<p>Dangit, I wrote this summary about it to post on these forums. Then I deletd it because I didnt want to get in trouble. I dont think it would get me in trouble, but I dont think Im going to take the chance until we verify that it is ok.</p>

<p>Is it against the UVA honour code to post your essays? Because I was drawing mainly from this thread (<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-chicago/164537-post-your-essay.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-chicago/164537-post-your-essay.html&lt;/a&gt;) which I used extensively when I applied to Chicago, eventually borrowing the essays I wrote for other schools as well, just to see what sort of essays they appreciated and get some inspiration for writing styles.</p>

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<p>If I can confirm there is nothing wrong with posting the full text of your essay, any format is fine (you can post all three, just one...) -- assuming that there's no problem of course.</p>

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<p>Not computational linguistics? ;) </p>

<p>I was thinking that linguistics and artificial intelligence/computer science merge (together with microbiology/biochem and philosophy) in the field of cognitive science too. Linguistics has many applications (or so I think, as a wannabe linguistics / CogSci major) that people don't initially recognise...</p>

<p>Dean J provided a response as to what type of essays admissions looks for. Here's what she said:</p>

<p>"I'm interested in reading something that's well written and personal. Admission officers at most schools aren't going to dismiss a well written essay if it's not in line with their beliefs (the exceptions are those at schools with very specific missions). If we only liked essays about our pet topics, our student body would be pretty boring.</p>

<p>If you've been to our information sessions or if we've been at your schoo's "College Night" (event for juniors to get them started with the process), you've probably heard us address this."</p>

<p>and :</p>

<p>"I do not look forward to essays where the answer to that question is an entire subject. To be frank, an essay about how calculus challenged a student usually puts me to sleep. We see plenty of essay about this, as calculus is a challenge for many students.</p>

<p>Try to be creative...go beyond the obvious."</p>

<p>As for people putting up topics, I would suggest not doing it because there's a good chance prospective students are looking through CC. If they find that a certain topic got someone else into UVa, they may think it will work for them. Suddenly, an essay you wrote that took hours to think of will look commonplace during admissions next year.</p>

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I am under the impression that that almost certainly is an honor violation.</p>

<p>You are commenting on the former, and the latter, I hope. :p (If the latter, I think you misinterpret me -- I should qualify that by "borrowing", I mean recycling the essays I wrote for some apps and basically re-edited it to suit others).</p>

<p>I'm somewhat surprised nevertheless. As far as I know, an honour code violation is, "an honor offense is defined as an intentional act of lying, cheating or stealing which warrants permanent dismissal from the University." (The</a> Honor Committee) </p>

<p>I don't think posting your essay is any of the three. It involves a bit of pride, I suppose (which can be reasonable, right?), and it seems it exists as a trend for other CC subfora. I think people fear this becoming a sort of "sell your essays" sort of site, which I don't want either. As far as I recall, the only why people refrain from posting their essays BEFORE they submit them in the essays forum is that they don't want people leeching off of them before they've submitted them.</p>

<p>Anyway, I'm just really curious about the kind of writing styles people have. I sorta want to know what the personalities of my peers will be like. :) (The University posts</a> essays too, or at least excerpts, so posting topics must at least be kosher.) </p>

<p>I'm a bit of an intellectual property libertarian-- while I'm firmly against plagiarism, my philosophy is that we don't own our ideas, only expressions of them (hence</a> the idea-expression dichotomy in intellectual property law) -- our brains are merely vectors for these little information entities (in a "selfish gene" sort of way, except replace "gene" with "idea" or "meme"). If someone gets inspired by a topic I took 3 hours to conceive (indeed, I kept on redefining the focus of many of my essays when I realised many of essay foci weren't working that well), so be it. I don't believe the person who gets inspired is getting a free ride -- far from it: he or she will have to adapt the idea to his or her own context to be useful. Who is to say I own the idea I conceived? That idea has been drawn subconsciously from the numerous books I read. My writing style is the subconscious synthesis of the styles of my favourite authors, my teachers, and my peers, stored in my linguistic faculties. These people in turn, were inspired by those before them, who were in turn inspired by those before them, and so on. Would we have airplanes if not for the inspiration of birds, which Nature took tens of millions of years to engineer? And to think, because we "stole" Nature's inspiration, within a century we have made spacecraft! Where did ideas originally come from, but from the constant thrum of information in the universe, which are in turn regulated by physical laws? </p>

<p>To think! In the five to ten hours I took to write my constructive speeches for a particular Lincoln-Douglas debate resolution, I drew upon the ideas of a man (Immanuel Kant) who probably took years to formulate a theory for the Categorical Imperative! And yet, I should hope not to be accused of an honour code violation.</p>

<p>A lot of essays I have noted use the "metaphorical dialogue" technique -- a fictional dialogue between the narrator (which could be the author) and some entity which in the process reveals things about both the narrator and the entity (or some other subject). The first one I remember used a dialogue between a narrator and the personification of Innocence, and how the loss of innocence is required to make righteous actions righteous (if you do the right thing without knowing the difference between right and wrong, can you really say you're a righteous person?) and how Innocence told the narrator she shouldn't be so sad at losing her after primary school. </p>

<p>Later on, I read other essays where the narrators (in the form of their authors) engage in fictional conversations with historical figures, mythological-but-culturally-important figures, personifications of other things, and so forth. It was a technique that I didn't really use until last year, and in fact I ended up using the technique because I was inspired by how other college essays used it. I ended up using it (for the 500-word UVA essay) concerning a REAL conversation I had with authority figures in the Singaporean government. Of course I couldn't remember the conversation word for word [it had been four hours long] so I paraphrased it from memory, as well as adding details to make the conflict between my libertarian values and the Singaporean government's authoritarian philosophy clear. It was because I read previous "metaphorical dialogue" essays that I knew what details would be essential for such an essay. </p>

<p>I'd like to think that was not an honour code violation.</p>

<p>I agree with you, however, the honor definition is often more stringent than one would expect. Honor at UVa means citing your "inspiration" as best as possible, however ridiculous that may seem.</p>

<p>It is considered plagiarism to resubmit one of your own academic papers or to draw from even your own writing without citing it.</p>

<p>I note from the UVA website: "A good essay is not good because of the topic but because of the voice. A good writer can make any topic interesting, and a weak writer can make even the most dramatic topic a bore." (U.Va</a>. Office of Admission Essays) </p>

<p>So as long as prospective students are not copying, I would have little reservation about their being inspired, the difference of which I tried to elaborate in my previous post.</p>

<p>I don't really think that just reading and offering a critique of someone's essay is an honor code violation, IMO. I remember last year, people on a number of college sites shared their essays in the spirit of "I don't know if this is any good, would somebody please read my essay and tell me what you think". I'm not positive on this, but it doesn't seem like a violation, (though it may not be wise).</p>

<p>You know what I don't think is appropriate, is how some HS senior English classes turn writing one's college essay into the core curriculum of the class.
I don't know, it just seems to cross a line in my book. So, if someone's English teacher can critique and correct a college essay, I personally don't think it should be a violation to ask for a critique on one's personal essay. </p>

<p><strong><em>But I'd be real cautious about it</em></strong><strong><em>I'm not saying it's a good idea</em></strong>****. CC is nice, but it's just like any internet communication>>no one really knows each other and do you really want to send personal information to a stranger?? I haven't and I wouldn't. There are all kinds of forms of identity theft out there. What if someone steals an essay from a naive soul?? Stranger things have happened.</p>

<p>tb2588: But we are talking about admissions essays! While held up to great scrutiny, they aren't academic research papers that require citations. </p>

<p>Anyway, I don't want to bog things down and and I appreciate your caveat -- have there been past cases or anything to suggest that posting an admissions essay would be an honour code violation?</p>

<p>powderpuff: Truth be told, I actually stole the idea for this thread -- err, I mean, I was inspired to make this thread -- from this thread</a> in the University of Chicago CC subforum.</p>

<p>Seeing as it has been used actively for years, I thought it was okay. But anyhow.</p>

<p>galisien, you know, almost every how-to get-into college book has a chapter devoted to essay, with real essays to look at. I think there is even a book with a title like: Real College Essays. It explains good ones and bad ones.</p>

<p>I've glanced at a few, but like Dean J alludes to, they can become boring very quickly, but the lesson I took from my instant boredom of just reading a few essays in the book while in the bookstore (I didn't even buy the book because the brief experience was sooooo painful), was that an essay has to jump off the page with uniqueness and creative entertainment, without crossing a nebulous line. Good luck.</p>

<p>I agree with you galoisien, I think it's OK to do, I just wouldn't want to do it.</p>

<p>Well I'm already admitted and I am certainly going to enroll in UVA unless something horrible happens in my last two months in high school, but the thing I am dying to know is, "How do my peers write?"</p>

<p>Because that reveals the answer to the bigger question, "How will my peers be like?"</p>

<p>I just wanna peek before I get there, you know. :) (I rarely exchange writing samples with my current set of high school peers...)</p>

<p>BTW, without telling me who you are, what does your name, galoisien, mean? It just sounds like it has a hidden message in it, or history to it.
I do understand your inquisitive nature about your peers. Nothing wrong with that, that I see. Maybe someone will exchange essays with you.<br>
I think the essays you read on the Univ. of Chicago site will give you a gauge for what UVA is looking for. Or maybe, you can start it on this site too, if you want to. I'd run it by Dean J first though, if I were you.</p>

<p>Sorry galoisien, I didn't quite understand that you've already been accepted. I was distracted by pre-hype Final Four reviews!!!
Glad to hear you've decided on UVA! Wahoowa!!</p>