So why didn't you apply to Oxford when you applied to Emory?

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<p>Loridians and moneyman123 are the same person. Pretty obvious. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re the former EmoryGrad. </p>

<p>Two things wrong with L:</p>

<p>1) He’s a Confederate. Anyone who has studied American Civil War will come to the conclusion that the war had a lot more to do with fights over slavery than states’ rights. But that’s not important here: Confederacy represents the support of the abuse, segregation, rape, and racism towards the African Americans, the very thing we fight to destroy (completely) today. The Confederates wanted to keep oppressing a human race to keep their farms going instead of paying wages. </p>

<p>Uhh, yeah, he’s a ■■■■■ AND a racist. </p>

<p>“Full disclosure here. I have walked my kids across the field at Gettysberg, stood with them on Little Round Top & imagined that brief moment on the third day when the Confederacy almost, just almost, won. I have lived in places so genuinely Southern, they didn’t even know their state was not an official member of the C.S.A.” </p>

<p>You can smell a Confederate from that, seriously. It’s like he’s very sad that the Confederacy lost. If he was against it he would’ve said (instead): “…on the third day when the Union almost, just almost, lost and had to give up its hope of emancipating the massively oppressed African Americans in the South.” He even said, “so genuinely Southern…” Just, WOW, dude, does he live in the “Divided States of America” or what? </p>

<p>2) He neglects to talk about where Oxford students end up: top graduate schools, medical schools, etc.</p>

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<p>This thread may as well be full of anonymous Lakers and Celtics fans battling it out about which team is better. Oxford grads/students fight for Oxford because they want to justify their choice. Emory grads/students fight against Oxford.</p>

<p>At the end of the day, it is simple supply and demand. Emory’s admissions stats are better because it has access to a better pool of applicants. There are plenty of students who have scores above Oxford standards that go to schools like Wake when they could eventually graduate from Emory. </p>

<p>Since both schools provide the same degree at the end, the admission stats at both schools should be identical. They are not. End of discussion.</p>

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<p>in a another thread Beretta asked me to give my two cents about Oxford but I couldn’t post it on that thread because it did not fit with the threads issue at hand…The workload in most of my classes ( I took a lot of humanities courses and stats last semester) was heavy, however, I do not know how much heavier it is compared to the main campus. Let’s just say that I work from around 3ish to around 5:00 in the afternoon and then from 8:00 to around 2:30 at night. I came from a very mediocre high school in rural Georgia so that probably has something to do with it, but then again my friends and a lot people I know complain about the workload also (fyi a lot of my friends are pre-med while I am an English major planning on going to law school). All in all, I managed to bust out a 3.5 at the end, which is not that bad. </p>

<p>Okay now to the whole backdoor thing…
Anyway regardless of these low scores, a lot of the people here in Oxford are admirably very hardworking. Even those kids who party a whole lot still are able to crack the books and get a decent grade. There are also more Oxford students taking summer classes at Emory than there are Emory students so that should tell you something I guess. So the whole SAT and lower stats argument might work for the whole backdoor thing but it does not go a whole way.</p>

<p>It’s sad that students here on this forum and others tend to think that having great stats in high school and all will make the student go a long way as far as success is in college is concerned but that is not the case: it’s all about work ethic and, as strange as this might sound, there are a considerable amount of kids that I know here who had stellar stats but have a lower GPA than mine ( I made around a 1700 on the SATs 3.9w GPA). But at any rate thankfully there are NOT a lot of “Oxford haters” on the main campus…most of them do not even now that Oxford exist lol, and also most of them couldn’t spot out an Oxford kid in a crowd of Emory students unless that kid mentioned that he/she went to Oxford. And also, Emory students could care less whether the Oxford student got in through the backdoor or whatever because in the end they are in the same classes come junior year, Oxford students are getting comparable grades if not higher than some Emory students (this IS true considering that most of the students who were in Phi Theta Kappa this year were Oxford students) and we graduate with the same diploma. So seriously Beretta, do not worry about the kids bashing Oxford here on this forum though I do appreciate it :P, cuz they are wasting their time beating this dead horse of a topic…</p>

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<p>First, for Beretta9mm’s previous post… just to point out few mistakes.</p>

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<p>Anyone who has PROPERLY studied American Civil War will know that the war had much more to do with the conflict of power between Northern and Southern states than slavery. Slavery was simply a cloud on the surface that nobody cared about. (Remember Lincoln said he would keep slavery if that’s the way to stay the US united?)</p>

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<p>Did you know that slavery was actually hated by the Southern states first until the Cotton industry flourished? This statement is absolutely absurd.</p>

<p>Regarding missy411’s post.</p>

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<p>This is a classical logical fallacy called the man of straw. The poster is bringing up a statement that Oxford kids are hardworking, even though nobody said they aren’t, and try to defend that Oxford is not a backdoor BECAUSE oxford kids are hardworking. The whole point of discussion why Oxford is a ‘backdoor’ IS because they have lower stats and GPA. period. You can very well have lower states and GPA even if you are hardworking. c’est la vie.</p>

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<p>Did anyone see a ranking system based on work ethic? Please let me know if one does. </p>

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<p>This is completely nonsense. Phi Theta Kappa is a honor society of two year colleges, so of course most of the members are from oxford. Please take a look: [Phi</a> Theta Kappa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phi_Theta_Kappa]Phi”>Phi Theta Kappa - Wikipedia)</p>

<p>This statement is made up by students in Oxford J.C to feel themselves better. I’m sorry.</p>

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<p>Oxford kids do get the same diploma. However, I’m sorry to inform you that in all transcripts oxford kids will have to present their OXFORD J.C degree as well, which is a community college. This will make a clear distinction between Oxford J.C students and Emory students.</p>

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<p>^ this can go on and on and on and on and on…</p>

<p>but it is clear that the stats for both schools are not the same.</p>

<p>And we get the same degree at the end.</p>

<p>That is that.</p>

<p>adios…</p>

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<p>Maybe the Oxford students are working SOOO HARD because they’re trying to justify to themselves that they’re Emory material or something. It’d make sense. I don’t believe what some people said about Oxford courseload being harder than Main Campus. But then maybe there are a lot of comment about working hard at Oxford and not that much on main campus because it’s a given over at Atlanta. Whatever… I thought I promised not to go into this.</p>

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<p>^^^ Thats because most of them want to finish up the required amount of credits needed to transfer to Emory main campus. That is what ALL the oxford kids I have talked to said. Most were trying desperately to leave oxford a semester earlier, a few kids were trying to leave oxford 1 year earlier. Guess it shows how much oxford sucks?</p>

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<p>I saw the idiotic post attributing some sort of nefarious motives to me because I admire the efforts of the CSA. Please note Oxfordians, I deplore the historical concept of American slavery, and regret the noble efforts of the South will always be tainted by its simultanous embrace of its own “Peculiar Institution”. However, I pointed out my heritage as part of admitting that for most of its existence Oxford acted as the back door to Emory for (mostly) Georgia families- well off, WASP, Ga. families- to get their academically undeserving sons into Emory.</p>

<p>What many people have great difficulty understanding is the potential effect of Oxford on “academic economics”. Colleges, amongst other things, are in the business of getting the best students. The goal of a college like Emory is to be a “first choice” school for the best students, not a back-up or safe school for students applying to the Ivy League, etc. Emory has worked hard to move into the Top 20.</p>

<p>Like any business, there are competitors. Vanderbilt and Washington University, expensive private colleges, amongst others, compete head to head with Emory for students out of the pool of “the best students”. In the past decade+ Vandy has substantially transformed its student body in order to compete on the (hopefully) national level for academic recognition. Wahington Univ., which finds itself located in a declining city, has poured huge amounts of $$ and effort into having one of the Country’s best medical schools. It has utilized that “jewel in the crown” to try and compete on a national level. I also would not give short shrift to other programs at Washington Univ.- it is an excellent school. </p>

<p>Emory has to compete, beat, and move past these colleges to get in the Top 15, or higher. It is my contention that it will ultimately never be possible for Emory to move past Vandy or Washington U., and into the most elite colleges in the U.S. if Emory has the Oxford anchor. Oxford is an absurd historical anachronism, and to a great extent I actually think it is the “Oxford” name that keeps it open! Let’s face it- when we hear the name “Oxford” connected with a school of higher learning we think of quality education. </p>

<p>Regardless of its fortuitous name, there is no logical explanation for students with a 2.1 GPA from a J.C. with inferior academic requirements than Emory to be admitted as “full” juniors. As a reasonable compromise, why is any attempt to put a GPA requirement for Oxford grads coming into Emory ALWAYS rejected?? If people want to keep the J.C. as some sort of two-year preparatory institution for Emory available to certain students who don’t meet Emory’s admission standards, but show unusual “promise”, I will go along with that. As long as its does not become some sort of Affirmative Action feeder system, and if a reasonable (3.2) GPA requirement is imposed for the automatic admission, everyone can be happy. </p>

<p>So what is wrong with the GPA proposal?</p>

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<p>^Dude, Oxford is a completely separate college from CAS. Forget the association with Emory. Collegeboard separates “Oxford” from “Emory University.” Seems like a different institution that’s housed by Emory. </p>

<p>Anyway, I disagree with calling it a J.C. If so, why isn’t Deep Springs a JC? Why do you have to pay $45,000 to go to a JC and why does JC admits students that have about the same stats as University of Georgia?</p>

<p>It’s just a damn separate college. Community colleges don’t do that kind of stuff.</p>

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<p>The Oxford discussion has been played out. I’d say its about 5 to 1 against Emory at Oxford.</p>

<p>I have brought this discussion to the attention of the Office of the Provost, and the Dean at Oxford. I am going to do some “hands on” investigation this Summer and, if appropriate, begin an effort to try and establish a GPA requirement to enter Emory from Oxford J.C. </p>

<p>My general thought so far, is the only practical use for Oxford would be as a place to “stash” athletes, but that use is not applicabe for a Division III college. This being the case, there is no viable argument against initiating a GPA requirement.</p>

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<p>All right… Emory College was renamed College of Arts and Sciences. Oxford College now needs to be named College of Intensive Liberal Arts. Otherwise it’s just too weird.</p>

<p>And Loridans, good luck. I have no idea why Oxford’s there and I can only suspect that it’s for a good reason as they decide to keep it. Since you go the guts to sling arrows and shots at them, you be the man. I have no reason to criticize a division of an elite institution.</p>

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<p>By the way, if I’m in the 5 to 1 against Oxford thing, make it 4 to 2, because I’m done judging students. The more I think about it, the more I feel guilty about classifying a group of people in the our same university, same classmates, as inferior. It’s complete bull&^%$. I’m done with this “let’s throw sh-t at Oxford!” game. </p>

<p>F-ck the Emory vs Oxford superiority complex.</p>

<p>4 to 2.</p>

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<p>“Every chess master was once a beginner.”</p>

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<p>Yo, check this out from the Dean at Oxford:</p>

<p>"And, there is ample proof that our programs at Oxford do make a difference. Oxford students thrive when they continue on the Atlanta campus. The winner of the Todd Whitman Award for 2005 recognizing the most accomplished graduate from Emory’s Business School was an Oxford graduate. Many undergraduate students in key leadership positions including a recent President of the Emory student government are Oxford graduates. Other indicators of quality include the National Survey of Student Engagement (NSSE) which places Oxford in its highest rank (top 10%) among colleges across the nation in each of its five categories of evaluation ([Oxford</a> College - Home](<a href=“http://www.emory.edu/OXFORD/NSSE/]Oxford”>http://www.emory.edu/OXFORD/NSSE/)). " </p>

<p>[Oxford</a> College - From the Dean](<a href=“http://www.oxford.emory.edu/a_distinctive_place/from_the_dean/]Oxford”>http://www.oxford.emory.edu/a_distinctive_place/from_the_dean/)</p>

<p>4 to 2.</p>

<p>Now I’m putting this discussion behind me for good. For real this time. Not gonna reply.</p>

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<p>Right because the Dean of Oxford is not a biased source of information…</p>

<p>Because the sources he is referencing are not anecdotal or obscure…</p>

<p>You should get used to classifying students as inferior/superior if you want to form strong groups for classes/projects.</p>

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<p>^^^ haha, exactly what I was going to say.</p>

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<p>I just have a quick question to the people who are truly adement about labeling Oxfordians as “backdoor-ers”. How can a group of 300 hundred students degrade your college experience so much that you have to resort to this sort of trash talking? Simply we are not there to ruining your lives with our sneaky ways. You are in an university with boundless oppprtunities and endless resources, and looking down at your fellow peers ( YES WE WILL BE YOUR PEERS! THE HORROR!) with neither help you or me in the long run. What do you want us to do? Admit that we are backdoor-ers? Admit that we are lesser than you? Then will you get some sort of twisted satisfaction? And once you prove to yourself whatever that needs to be proven, where does that leave you? I know. Missing out on some really great potential friends. I’ll see you guys in 2 years, and I promise that I am a decent human being with thoughts and feelings. Something I think you guys forget in your quest for blood. If You are argueing purely on an academic basis, then fine. But don’t attack our character without knowing us first.</p>

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<p>yes vutruc, the ignorance on here is astounding. Mostly, it’s high school students who don’t know what they’re talking about. The funny thing is that no one complains about the transfer students who arrive after their sophomore year, many of whom spent their first two years at colleges with admission criteria much lower than Oxford (even real live community colleges, oh no!). It’s simply a dick measuring competition, which you can’t rationally win. You’ll quickly realize that no one on main campus cares. And actually a lot of people gained a new respect for Oxford after the whole Zebra incident a few years back. We’re more than happy to party with you and to go to class with you. You’ll be just fine on main campus.</p>

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<p>You guys are getting emotional about a discussion that should be logical.</p>

<p>No one is attacking Oxford students on a social/personal level. I mean we all have friends from HS that ended up at [insert random lesser school] and we don’t hate them because they go to a bad school. </p>

<p>In fact, I believe Oxford students are incredibly opportunistic because they end up graduating from a top 20 school when they didn’t have the scores to get in at first. </p>

<p>But, the topics never ask “are Oxford kids nice/social/opportunistic.” </p>

<p>While HS students continue to ask about the academics/requirements/social life, We will continue to call Oxford what it is: a small, rural, socially desolate back-door.</p>

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<p>Why did you put when they didn’t have the scores to get in at first.</p>

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<p>I just finished CS170. Out of 14-15 students, 8-10 were from Oxford. This was the first time I even heard of Oxford on campus, and I don’t know if it was a fair cross section of Oxford students… But my impression was that the Oxford students were noticeably less competent. I came to like many of them, but they couldn’t think logically for themselves, i.e. they couldn’t write basic code. Almost half of my class did very poorly or failed the midterm, and while I know three or four of the Emory kids got scores in the high nineties, the average was in the seventies. I can’t help but have the impression that Oxford kids are a bit weaker…</p>