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Yea, engineers take home that much and work much less time, so do professors.
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Remind me- how much do anesthesiologists make? How many hours do they work a week?</p>
<p>Starting salary for an assistant professor is ~$40-50,000. Not that much, especially considering how unbelievably competitive the jobs are.</p>
<p>Ill answer questions in order. Yea docs do make that much before expenses, I know this because I just recently had a talk with a resident who finished emergency med. He said that range. Go check ANY Ct surg website you will see the same values of 300 grand starting without expenses taken out. Most average docs "make" over 100 grand. After all it said an done, most make 60-80. Thats the reality, taxes for income over 100,000 grand are 40%. Make at salary of 120,000 grand you take home how much after taxes? 72 grand. Thats taking home 120000 grand which some docs would love to do aftetr office and malpractice expense. That is reality.
Now for anesthesiologists. Depending on how successful they want to be/how much they want to make they will work more or less. Once they are well established they can average 60-80 hour weeks or less an pull in 300,000 grand or so, expenses and taxes and they have 120,000 or so left. Not bad, but much more money can be made in other fields. And professors who are a full professor make about 100,000 and dont have stupid expenses to pay for and have good reliable retirement and insurance. Docs can't say the same since one malpractice case can take everything away from you.</p>
<p>Dude you are just wrong. When statistics of pay is listed for doctors, that is after insurance etc. Its take home pay, the only expense not included is taxes. Doctors make more than professors.</p>
<p>Another thing.....
"Thats taking home 120000 grand which some docs would love to do aftetr office and malpractice expense."
"Docs can't say the same since one malpractice case can take everything away from you."</p>
<p>YOU DONT MAKE SENSE. Doctors pay INSURANCE so that they aren't going bankrupt when people file suits against them.</p>
<p>I aspire to be a doctor as well (surgeon), and yes, money is one of the reasons, but not my first one. I love to help people and won't mind working 100+ hours per week, but in return I would like to be somewhat rewarded. As long as I can come home to a comfortable house, I will be happy.</p>
<p>Now that I think about it, I don't think pay is as big as people make it out to be. Dentists and orthodontists get paid a large salary too, but relatively few people aspire to become dentists. </p>
<p>That said, I think doctors get paid far too much money. Veterinarians have to have a far broader range of skills, and the work hours are equally long. You have to deal with a large range of animals (cows can get mean) rather than just one (humans), and you have to invest a considerable amount of time, money, and effort in vet school. So WHY do they get paid half (or less than half) of a normal physician's pay (not to mention much less prestige)? It doesn't make sense! :mad:</p>
<p>I think that claiming veternarians have a "far broader range of skills" than an MD is a VERY bad assumption to make. Of course it would depend on the vet speciality and the md specialty. </p>
<p>I definitely dont think doctors are overpaid. They have one of the most stressful jobs in the world, which requires the most (and the most expensive) education, and its a job which can only be done by the select few. Earnings is defined by stress, education, and unique skill sets.</p>
<p>It also wouldn't be fair for doctors to go half a million in debt so that they could make no money. Doctors are one of the most important elements in our society, we want to encourage the talented to enter the field, not deter them. Whats more, doctors dont begin earning money until they are far older than the average worker. Most probably dont start earning serious money till they are in their thirties....</p>
<p>I sure hope my doctor makes more than most everybody, they have my LIFE in their hands. When ibankers screw up, they lose people's money. When doctors screw up, people die.</p>
<p>Besides, the vast majority of vets only deal with cats and dogs, and most dont do surgery. There arent many (or any?) vets that do cows, horses, cats, dogs, lizards, and birds, and are experts on all of them and do surgery too.</p>
<p>Aren't they putting some sort of cap (state or federal, not sure) on the amount of money you can sue for? I believe the number of lawyers is steadily decreasing because of this. Can someone confirm?</p>
<p>Quite frankly, some of the things lawyers are responsible for are completely immoral to an incredible degree. For example, my sister bumped another car in a mall parking lot about 4 years ago. Unfortunately, she bumped into an elderly couple in their 50's or so. There wasn't a single mark on either car, and at the time, neither of the parties claimed to have any problems, but they exchanged information anyway. Approximately 6 months later, a statement from their lawyer was sent to my sister (and my dad, because it was his car) saying that they are suing. I looked at the list of claims from 'arthritis' to carpal tunnel. Was it from the incident or is it far-fetched to perhaps hypothesize that they may have gotten these minor (but they claim to be terminal) injuries from old age? I know my stance is bias, but they're suing for $125,000. You can't imagine how angry I was to hear of this, especially since they were driving a brand new Mercedes Benz, and we had not bought a car for nearly 5 years. The case is not settled yet, but our insurance companies are handling it as we speak. Nonetheless, my parents will have to pay a huge sum of money.</p>
<p>Exploitation at its finest, I say.</p>
<p>P.S.- There literally were no marks on either car, since it was in a parking lot. Call me crazy, but isn't it possible to get arthritis and carpal tunnel from old age and not necessarily because of a fender bender (not even)?</p>
<p>It must not have had anything to do with the fender bender... in fact, both of those things are from repetitive use/heredity/old age.</p>
<p>GHBrown08- First off, vet school is extremely expensive. A year at Cornell's vet school costs $35,000 IS and $43,000 OOS. Considering veterinarians make on average $48,000, I'd say you graduate with a considerable debt to pay off. Furthermore, no matter what kind of animals you want to work with, vets are trained to treat both large and small animals, and vets in rural areas are expected to be able to treat both the sick family dog and the cow giving birth. Med schools have similar rotations, however. </p>
<p>When I mentioned the fact that vets have a broad range of skills, I was referring to the fact that your family vet has to be prepared to do a wide variety of activities- clean an ear infection, spay/neuter, eliminate a parasite problem, step up a faulty heart, mend broken bones, or work on an animal that's been hit by a car. If need be, it's the vet who euthanizes the animal- something doctors don't deal with, and I can assure you, it's very stressful for everyone involved. Most doctors specialize, and relatively few deal with a similar wide range of problems. </p>
<p>Vets work outdoors in all kinds of weather, and may have to treat animals or perform surgery under unsanitary conditions. When working with animals that are frightened or in pain, veterinarians risk being bitten, kicked, or scratched. A pediatrician, on the other hand, most often bustles in and out in less than five minutes to check a relatively calm (and less dangerous!) child and charges you $80 for the visit. </p>
<p>Making the assumption that vets only care for animals is a VERY bad assumption to make. Veterinarians play an essential role in controlling disease outbreaks, and the CDC is full of them. Maybe doctors hold your life in their hands, but veterinarians- not doctors- helped control the Ebola outbreak that occurred in Washington, DC not too long ago. Most are paid far less than their MD counterparts, however. Furthermore, most of the meat you eat came from animals carefully monitered and cared for by veterinarians. </p>
<p>I suppose my point is that vets should be paid more, not doctors paid less. In case you're wondering, my father's a vet. :p</p>
<p>KRabble88- I haven't heard that, but I dearly hope so. Your story is yet another that makes me question the law system. :rolleyes:</p>
<p>Anyone worried of being sued should look to the military for a medical career. Good pay if you stay in long enough and if you play your cards right you can get free medical school. The military also gives you a chance to work in state of the art medical facilities...</p>
<p>Yes, I agree that vets are underpaid.</p>
<p>how much does a genetic counselor make?</p>
<p>I know. It was ridiculous that they claim to have had specific types of 'carpal tunnel' and 'arthritis'. I'm no medical expert, but I'm pretty sure those are more frequently associated with old age. It's pathetic that some people act this way, especially when they have to steal the money from hardworking people. Life's unfair, but let's hope God is more forgiving than I am.</p>
<p>P.S.- I hope they aren't religious people. It really ****es me off when avid Christians reprimand others for wrongdoing and turn around and do it to everyone else. By the way, I'm just assuming that they're claim is.. tenuous, but of course, I can't really get them to admit whether they're lying or not.</p>
<p>My parents told me that they will be getting about $50,000 to $60,000 regardless of whether they really win the case or not. How does that work? I'm not sure what they're talking about.</p>
<p>prospective doctors who want to be in it for $$$ are delusional.</p>
<p>Think about this: If ya wanna be a doctor, u have to graduate with around a 3.5 GPA, and score 27+ on your MCATs.</p>
<p>Then you have to go through 4 years of med school and rack up a nice debt.</p>
<p>And after that you still have to suffer through 3 years of residency where you work an average of 16-20 hours a day, get paid crap. A lot of residents literally eat, sleep, and live at their respective hospitals for chunks of time.</p>
<p>Great! you finished all that, and now you can become a family practitioner or go into internal medicine, which can be around 100k a year.</p>
<p>But wait, ur in it for the money.</p>
<p>You still have to specialize in something, which can take another 2 years or so!</p>
<p>So, after going through all of that, you can now make around 300k or so.</p>
<p>There are much faster and more convenient routes to lots of cash</p>
<p>lol@this thread.</p>
<p>Hey GHBrown08 Show me your sources that say that money is after expenses. Also for malp insur., it will not cover you completely, EVER. I know of docs with big policies that have been taken to the cleaners. Like with car insurance, the person can go after way more then your insurance will ever cover, and it comes out of your wallet. And as far as docs making more then professors. Sure quite a few do, but not all. It depends on your specialty. I know of professors pulling in 150,000 because they are that good.</p>
<p>How much do lawyers make on average?</p>
<p>Until 9/11, some airline pilots were making over $300,000/year. Currently the pay usually tops out at $150,000-$200,000/year, but that could go back up if the airine industry improves. Hourly wages before Delta's paycut were up to $318/hour for senior 777 captains.</p>