<p>Are there any Software Engineering schools in the States?</p>
<p>you study computer science for software engineering. i dont believe too many schools actually carry the major under this nomenclature though (at least not for undergrad)</p>
<p>You probably should major in computer science undergrad. Not many schools have software engineering undergrad.</p>
<p>Yeah, CS is the major...but don't you want to have a stable career in the future? CS is forecasted to have steadily declining salaries and huge job uncertainty. You may want to look into other kinds of engineering, or maybe even medical engineering.</p>
<p>... or you could major in something that leads to a career you'll enjoy.</p>
<p>If you think you'll enjoy a career writing software, then go for CS. There's potential for increased outsourcing in most technical fields these days -- EE, ME, CS, CE... and even medical. It's not going to go away. Personally, I think it's foolish to make a degree/career choice based on the bottom line ($$$) or how the job market <em>might</em> look down the road.</p>
<p>The dot-com crash happened just as I entered school, but I stayed with CS and the job market has recovered. If I had jumped ship then, I might not be as happy as I am now.</p>
<p>If you get a CS degree from a decent institution and you know your stuff, there's still a good amount of demand for your skills in THIS country. But they'll tell you there's no guarantee you'll get a job. Well, when is there ever?</p>
<p>Do what will make you HAPPY in life.</p>
<p>So you would have no problem w/ Stanford?</p>
<p>Stanford? What's that? ;-)</p>
<p>I hear their computer science program is quite good.
I also thoroughly enjoyed my time at Rice.
What you don't want is Podunk-U.</p>
<p>"... or you could major in something that leads to a career you'll enjoy"</p>
<p>Ideally, maybe....but would be happy as a programmer if you're constantly under the threat of being unemployed? Since the dotcom bust, everyone around here (silicon valley) pretty much thinks it's a deadend field, and not a 'career' as such.</p>
<p>aehmo.... waaaaait a minute.... </p>
<p>OMG!! It's golubb!!! With a new screenname!! Thank heavens, who would we laugh at if he'd disappeared forever??</p>
<p>Hooray!</p>
<p>Location, location, location?</p>
<p>Remember, Silicon Valley is still saturated from people who got in on the dot-com rush hoping for the same glory that will likely never come again. If it's the dot-com rags-to-riches story people are looking for then I agree, it's a dead end (for that), and they should look elsewhere. A few people have the right idea at the right time and make it big, but most of us are simply working in a career field like <em>most</em> people.</p>
<p>Microsoft, Amazon, and Google were all <em>increasing</em> their developer teams this year. Some of that increase was overseas, but much of it was domestic. And those are only three of the major software development firms.</p>
<p>I'm employed by a much smaller company and even we're continuing to hire talented developers to work on our globally-deployed software base. My pay is good, my benefits are great, and I enjoy what I do. I'm glad I stayed with CS, even when the market was looking a whole lot worse than it does right now.</p>
<p>While not intending to imply that <em>you</em> were doing so... I'll challenge anyone who suggests my degree/career choice was "stupid" simply because some CS jobs are moving overseas in the increasingly global economy. I hope anyone who really finds a passion for designing software gives CS some serious thought as a major/career... because it's NOT dead.</p>
<p>aehmo. golubb_u whatever. your such a nubbie. leave now and forever hold your peace</p>
<p>"OMG!! It's golubb!!! With a new screenname!! Thank heavens, who would we laugh at if he'd disappeared forever??"</p>
<p>No, that's incorrect. I just happen to be in the same location as golubbu. I guess my views coincide with his simply because of the common topics in the valley.</p>
<p>Odd. A search for the word "valley" by golubb_u doesn't return a single post where he claims to be from the Silicon Valley area... and the info certainly isn't in his public profile. But hey, I'm sure you guys have exchanged a ton of private messages. What's it matter anyway -- what's in a username?</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
<p>Didn't he return several times? Oh well not as bad as Zerox. Remember that little gem that slowly spiraled out of control into racism and Hitler. That was a beut. I really don't think any poster could top that.</p>
<p>i've applied to Software engineering undergrad. in Canada, now i know it may sound wierd but can anyone explain, again, what is the main difference between CS and software engineering when it comes to undergrad.? got responses before but doesn't seem like anyone's sure.
i guess it would be wrong to say what most people do? software - more about software, and CS - more about hardware?</p>
<p>thanks in advance...</p>
<p>Holy old thread! :-)</p>
<p>For all practical purposes, "Computer Science" and "Software Engineering" are essentially the same. Some schools consider it an engineering dicipline (since it's a process) and other schools consider it a science (since it involves a lot of math and theory and isn't "physical"). Still, there are schools like mine that call it a "science" and teach it out of the engineering department, further confusing the matter.</p>
<p>For your question though, they're pretty much equivalent. Don't confuse your question with the many about "Computer Science vs. Computer Engineering." Computer Engineering usually has some distinct differences from CS / Software Eng., and it's CE where there's likely more focus on hardware.</p>
<p>Hope that helps.</p>
<p>Thanks alot. that makes it clearer.
in the uni i've applied to the software engineering is actually in the science faculty, offering B.sc degree rather than B.Eng but i guess that only sharpens your point.
Mind if i ask you how do you like CS?
Thanks again</p>
<p>I liked it well enough to graduate w/ the degree and become employed as a software developer. :-) It was hard; I'm not the greatest at advanced math or theory -- and there was plenty of it -- but I made it and I don't regret it one bit.</p>
<p>Well i guess that's what i'm hoping for too :-) am not a math genious or anything but i can definately cope with it.
came here to Canada just for the experience of studying someplace different. but may go back home to israel once i finish... and was just curious of how things are around here...
as i've seen so far it is definately much easier to be accepted to uni's around here.. i doubt it's the same in the us though (?)</p>
<p>Welcome to North America. :-)</p>
<p>As for acceptance into a university, that's very dependent upon the individual institutions. There are places that seemingly accept anyone, and there are very elite schools where it's very difficult to get in, and then all of those that fall in-between.</p>