<p>I know everyone says getting rejected for the summer seminar will not stop someone from getting an appointment, but will getting an acceptance guarantee him or her an appointment. thanks</p>
<p>good question...i don't know the answer, but i did go to NASS last summer and would like to know if that counts for anything in the admissions process</p>
<p>nothing except that it substitutes for your preliminary application. </p>
<p>Admissions board does not consider it, but if you got in you got in against a fairly competitive pool which bodes well for an appointment if the rest of your app is up to snuff...</p>
<p>No, absolutly not.</p>
<p>Attending NASS will add a couple points to your WCS, but it will not make or break your Candidate File. There are no guarentees in the Service Academy admissions process. Even LOAs are conditional.</p>
<p>LOA's are conditional?</p>
<p>An acceptance to NASS in no way guarantees an appointment. There are ~1800 candidates who attend NASS - all of whom are high school juniors. There are only ~1500 appointments in each incoming class. So AT LEAST 300 NASSers do not receive appointments. However, the ~1500 appointments per year are not limited to high school juniors - it includes priors, college students, NAPSters, and Foundation scholars. Not to mention lots of appointments go to high school juniors who didn't attend NASS. In the end the stats are something like this: (I got these from Jaybee)
50% of NASSers choose not to pursue an appointment.
45% of NASSers receive appointments.
So 95% of NASSers who pursue appointments receive them.</p>
<p>I'm not sure I follow that math.</p>
<p>From what Admissions has said,</p>
<p>NASS or CVW does not get a candidate guaranteed extra points on the WCS.</p>
<p>The evaluations, submitted by MIDN, may be used by a board for one of the following reasons:</p>
<p>(1) A candidate has shown remarkable traits that makes him/her likely to be an outstanding midshipman (i.e. one of the top few, goes above and beyond)</p>
<p>(2) A candidate shows an extreme lack of desire and/or effort for wanting to attend USNA and/or serve.</p>
<p>In the case of scenario 1, discretionary points may be added by the board.
In the case of secnario 2, discretionary points may be subtracted by the board.</p>
<p>For most of the candidates, they don't fall in this scenario and no points are awarded as a direct result of going to NASS/CVW.</p>
<p>LOA's are a guarantee as long as you meet the four requirements of the LOA and stay out of trouble for the rest of the year.</p>
<p>Conditions:
Nomination
Medically qualified
CFA passing
BGO interview complete</p>
<p>Lots of candidates who end up with appointments never attended NASS. Some were not even offered NASS. Keep in mind- the "numbers game" runs deep.... too many candidates from the same geographic region? guess what- the NASS offers are spread around the country just as the appointments are! </p>
<p>If you get accepted to attend NASS, then do so. It is a terrific opportunity to gain another perspective on USNA and what this is all about.</p>
<p>If you get an offer, and decide to attend, make sure to do a good job. Wait- let me change that. Do an outstanding job. You "will be graded" and it "will count." Do a lousy job, demonstate that your "head is not into it" and you "will be graded" and it "will count."</p>
<p>If you are not offered NASS: don't worry about it. Speak to your BGO about attending a CVW. Go and visit on your own (you should be doing that anyway). Consider attending a sports camp at USNA over the summer- another way to get a glimpse of the inner santum of Bancroft. Heading for a sport? Speak to the coach about recruiting visits...</p>
<p>The key is to be persistant.
And take advantage of any opportunity that comes your way to visit.<br>
And if that fails, make your own opportunity.</p>
<p>Best of luck!</p>
<p>also, a lot of people do not emphasize this enough. NASS selection is based off of PSAT/SAT/ACT scores. that means that a ton of nerds and egg heads go. if you go to NASS in shape and willing to physically push yourself and your squad then you WILL shine there and it will help you a ton. </p>
<p>If you don't go though, don't sweat it. It is fun though.</p>
<p>Don't take this as an attack, but I refer specifically to your "nerds and egg-heads" comment.</p>
<p>From what I've seen in your posts, Scuba, you seem to be more concerned with physical aptitude than mental readiness. Both are important, yes, and one must be physically fit to handle a ship, but being lax intellectually and slacking in classes is not acceptable at the academy nor when leading others. The Navy is a technical field, and I doubt you'll be leading any infantry charges over sand-dunes while on a ship. Perhaps in the Marines/SEALS, but those are by no means guarantees.</p>
<p>Being in a squad that was composed of about 70% "nerds", I can honestly say that we pushed ourselves more than those who could simply do all the PT without breaking a sweat. As my squad leader said, reaching the end is not always the goal. It's the effort that it took to get there.</p>
<p>Also keep in mind that a bunch of those seemingly 'skinny little nerds' can crank out some mad pushups and situps and run like the wind.</p>
<p>Yeah we had a kid in our squad who looked like the biggest "nerd" ever and like he couldn't do PT to save his life. I think he ended up being the first or at least the second best PT'er in the squad. He could crank out sit-ups and push-ups like mad.</p>
<p>then if those who you just said could do PT are not the ones I was talking about. I was clearly stating that there are a lot of nerds who are not athletic. I had a kid in the squad next to me who weighed well over 270 lbs. obviously physical aptitude was not his forte. I am not discrediting academics by any means. I am a nerd just as many of you are. Im in engineering classes, robotics teams, etc. but what my point was is that the academy looks for well rounded future midshipmen. If you can get into NASS because of the academics, then you are obviously academically competitive. So if it comes down to one kid who is just as academically competitive as the others (also including leadership, etc.), then if he is much more fit physically, then the academy WILL take him 99% of the time. you guys need to read my full post and not just the "nerds and eggheads part". that is what I am saying. by no means am I implying that all nerds aren't athletes.</p>
<p>scuba - what company/squad/session were you in?</p>
<p>I was session 1, C Co. 2/4 for those who would like to know.</p>
<p>Attendance at SS is of no signifcance to your admission.</p>
<p>Poor peformance at SS--really poor performance--could have some bearing on your admission.
But that's kind of saying that, all things being equal, which they rarely are, if two candidates are compared and one has not attended SS but the other has but done poorly, the one who did not attend might get the appointment and the other not.</p>
<p>But, really, just conjecture!</p>
<p>You seem to know a lot about what the admissions proceess WILL do in certain situations scubaguy. You must know a lot about who gets in and who doesn't based on what you've read online--hell, you're practically more knowledgeable than the people that actually go to USNA!</p>
<p>nah, krypter.... scuba will figure it out when he starts doing some "deep dives!" But will agree that things can look mighty different when peering down from the surface! ;)</p>