<p>Hokay....
I do not think that baba here is insulting stanford. Although he/she may write very hard to follow posts, and occasionally make fun of school names, basically what he/she is saying is that the data that stanford has published can be presented in a way that might make it look like it really is competing tit for tat for HYP, but not really, and that it is more of a regional player than it seems. If you actually think about the dynamic of admissions with EAs and at how Stanford would want to use statistics for their gains... all of his points are well taken. And those of you who would like to call him a troll, putting little make funs of college names aside, he has done nothing to insult any college. All I see is a break down of what statistics are trying to convey and what they actually can convey, and what they are actually not conveying.</p>
<p>Okay guys, let me give you my New Jersey perspective. Accusing Stanford of being a regional school is the most laughable thing I have ever heard. It's like accusing Harvard of being regional. Everyone on the East Coast is in awe of Stanford. Heck, even Chelsea Clinton chose Stanford over Harvard. </p>
<p>Stanford is also the best overall university that is strong in every field. From engineering to psychology to the humanities to the hard sciences, Stanford is on top. Stanford is like Harvard and MIT combined. Unbeatable.</p>
<p>Afridi_6ixer, your point would make sense only if baba were not, as Byerly put it on the Princeton thread, "pulling his estimates out of his rear end." Putting forward arbitrary and grossly incorrect figures counts for absolutely nothing. </p>
<p>The latest Revealed Preference ranking, which measures the ability of elite institutions to compete with each other for top applicants, places Stanford 3rd, behind only Harvard and Yale. (<a href="http://post.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/hoxby/papers/revealedprefranking.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://post.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/hoxby/papers/revealedprefranking.pdf</a>) </p>
<p>Additionally, Stanford's largest cross-admit pool is with Harvard, followed by Yale. Also, Stanford wins more students from Harvard in their cross-admit pool than any other university does. This suggests that Stanford is, by no means whatsoever, a regional player but instead one of the most competitive institutions in the US.</p>
<p>we are where we started. cross admit is published by sford only for self glory. they loose most of them and balance the yield by CA applicants. If you get 300-400 HY EAs in RD and loose them. then publish data saying we lost them to HY. so what.
do you know how many SF crossadmit in RD were HY EA?
Do you know what CA applicants yield are at SF? 90%+
Do you know what HY cross admit yield are SF? less than 50%
0f 19000 how many applicants at SF fron East( 25% of US Population)</p>
<p>You can manipulate this data. HYP never care to publish it because they are too busy fighting each other.</p>
<p>I think his numbers make sense, even if they are not exact. I dont think stanford is a regional player, but is more regional than they make themselves out to be. I am from the east coast, and I respect stanford alot, but, I would pick HYP over it. Just as maybe a kid from california would pick stanford over an HYP. But i think HYP gets a stronger pull from the west coast then stanford from the east. In that sense stanford is more regional than HYP. And his points about Stanford data being for self glory is well taken/</p>
<p>That's where your logic and argument break down completely baba. There are so many errors in what you are saying!</p>
<p>First, how can Stanford work out which applicants are Harvard and Yale EA acceptances or deferals? There was the famous case about 3 years ago when Dean Hargedon was forced to resign after it was found that the Princeton admissions office attempted to hack into the Yale database in order to find out which EA applicants that had been accepted to Yale were applying to Princeton in the RD round (at least that is a suggested motive for the hacking). Unless Stanford is hacking into the Harvard and Yale applicant databases, I don't see how they could find out which applicants were accepted EA - the example above only justifies this. </p>
<p>Second, the 2004 Revealed Preference ranking, which I have cited on numerous occasions, indicates that Stanford does, indeed, compete directly with Harvard, Yale, Princeton and MIT for the very top applicants. It also indicates that Stanford is more successful than Princeton and MIT at attracting these applicants but less successful than Yale and Harvard. In addition, the Revealed Preference ranking controls for factors such as yield manipulation or strategic admission, thereby providing a very accurate picture of college desirability and competitiveness. Perhaps you could read it: <a href="http://post.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/hoxby/papers/revealedprefranking.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://post.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/hoxby/papers/revealedprefranking.pdf</a></p>
<p>I am pretty sure there are published lists available to colleges.</p>
<p>Afridi_6ixer, you are incorrect here. If you refer to an ealier post of mine, you can see that Stanford is rated as more desirable than Princeton by students in the Northeast region although Harvard and Yale are rated above Stanford in this region. In fact, Harvard is rated 1st in every region so it can be exluded for the purpose of this comparison.</p>
<p>If they were "published lists available to every college," then why would the hacking incident have occured?</p>
<p>Quite honestly, I go to a quite good prep school on the East Coast where alotta kids go schools like stanford and HYP, and the overall consensus in my school is that kids were going to go pick Princeton over stanford... and if we are gonna talk East coast, lets talk East coast.</p>
<p>Baba, unfortunately it is very well-established that Stanford is among the top schools in the world ... let alone the nation or the east coast. Some objective observers might even consider it <em>the</em> top institution in the world. I very much doubt that any of your posts will change that reality.</p>
<p>Your enormous efforts to fabricate statistics, and to repetitively post weak arguments, are quite fascinating ... particularly given that you're "trolling" against what you apparently consider such a weak, "regional" school. Please feel free to continue if you like ... if nothing else, it will be an amusement for others to read.</p>
<p>Leland SF Jr College with 70% applications from West Coast about 20% of US population, It no different than Uni of Wash or UCI. If you do not have geogradphical enrollment background then you blowing smoke by only publishing cross admit(selfserving).</p>
<p>Harvard gets less than 10% from Mass, 15% Pac West , Penn get 15% from PA and 9% from CA. These are enrollments. These guys can keep the balance since they have a balanced applicant pool. UC Palo Alto cannot since 70% of its applicants are from CA. Which similar to any state school. I rest my case.</p>
<p>Folks try get money back, try mich or UCB where education is good on cheap.</p>
<p>"I rest my case."</p>
<p>Does that mean we won't hear from you anymore? :p You know, you're not convincing anyone, so I don't see what you're trying to accomplish. You must have reaallly wanted to go to Sford, since you seem to be sooo bitter about being rejected. Do you really want to be a bitter reject for the rest of your life? Why don't you instead be happy with where you're going? If you're going to Penn, like everybody claims, that's nothing to be shameful about.</p>
<p>Oh, and btw, Stanford have me the most generous financial aid offer among any school I applied to (even greater than UMich, and twice as much as Cornell). I practically got a full ride, and I'm not even poor! :)</p>
<p>l idiots should stop posting Pton vs UC at Palo Alto or Yale vs Leland SF jr college.</p>
<p>Well, this thread was started by Byerly, the Harvard know-it-all, so why don't you go whine to him?</p>
<p>Afridi_6ixer speak for yourself. I also go to school in the east coast and unlike you I had to choose between Yale and Stanford. The overall decision in the class was split but all of them agreed these were two of the best in the country. Also I met MANY east coasters at Stanford admit weekend who chose Stanford over HYPM. It was easy for us because there is no drop in prestige, the only difference is fit. So please do me a favor and not make generaliztions that are not true. </p>
<p>and baba get over yourself. you werent good enough. sorry. its kinda sad that you are so upset over a school, but if you have gotten in you would be singing its praises. You are so bitter and i doubt you will overcome that but try to do yourself a favor and move on.</p>
<p>Baba, honestly, I've seen almost every one of your posts, and I still don't see a single relevent point you've made. Stanford does indeed get the vast majority of its applicants from CA. Stanford's population is indeed CA for the most part. How does this matter?</p>
<p>You never addressed the revealed preference ranking, which shows that in direct matchups, Stanford is > all but Harvard and Yale. I have no clue *** you're pulling this "they accept Harvard/Yale EAs just to compete with HY" from, as there's no way it would help the university. If anything, Stanford would want to reject the Harvard/Yale EAs to have a higher yield.</p>
<p>There's really nothing you can say that will convince anyone that Stanford doesn't have national/international prestige. Fart out as many numbers as you want, no one in the country is going to say Stanford isn't prestigious.</p>
<p>quoting the stanford news web-site:</p>
<p>"Theyre the cream of the crop and they beat out thousands of other students who would have jumped at the opportunity. Yet for all the prestige and honor that goes along with an offer of admission at Stanford, more than one-third of students decline to enroll."</p>
<p>Seriously, who does the Stanford PR department hire to write this stuff...it looks like it was written by an over ambitious 11th grader...</p>
<p>not a rip on stanford...just thought it was funny.</p>
<p>cheers,
CUgrad</p>
<p>toko</p>
<p>when 70% applicants are from CA which same as UCB where 90% from CA. UCB is a world class indtitution too. but for UG it is a CA school. Same is true for SF.
For Graduate UCB, SF open up to world and get people from all over the place come there.</p>
<p>Harvard gets 15000 away applications compareto 5000 for SF. That is prestige.
Harvrad has less 10% from MA 15% from Pac West, Penn has 15% from PA, 10% from CA, the why SF has to get 50 from CA. I would bet SF would like to keep CA kids below 20 % but they cannot. They do not get enough applicants from other areas to make up the class. IVY do not have this problem. If you look at top boarding schools they are all in East. Most folks end up in the East. Some kids do end inSF but they more of Tech types where IVY are not the ones. Look at Menlo School data, they feed more to IVY and UCB than SF.</p>
<p>hey if you're trying to decide between princeton and stanford- as a townie (of princeton) stanford is much prettier. princeotn is a pretty dull town, althought the campus and town is gorgoesouso!</p>