<p>They over-enrolled for the class of 2011 and class of 2012. And the most important thing is that they did not admit anyone from waitlist last year. which very likely they will do this year. They were cautious last year because of the removal of SECA at Harvard, and ended up with much higer yield than they thought. Very likely they could do what Harvard did last year this time: admit less and draw from the waitlist if they don't have enough. You can see a sign of the intention from the reduced the SECA's number this year compared with last year's number.</p>
<p>dpattzlover, being a urm is considered a "hook". that is something that gives you an automatic advantage over the average applicant. So a urm is "hooked" when applying to colleges.</p>
<p>That's ridiculous! The last thing applicants need is a smaller class size.</p>
<p>So ready to be done with all of this application craziness...</p>
<p>As am I, ah, I can't wait until April 1st! </p>
<p>Anyway, I know what URM means and I know that being a URM is considred a hook; howedver, Eagle confused me when he said "and the 'hooked' ones especially?" What does that mean? </p>
<p>Also, I'm wondering why people keep talking about Stanford accepting a lot of URMs/RAs via SCEA? I am a Native that applied RD, so this concerns me a bit......</p>
<p>Good luck to all! :D!</p>
<p>African Americans at top schools generally have a little less than 10% greater chance of acceptance, it is about half that for hispanics, and also 10% greater for Native Americans. </p>
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<p>HYPS's closest peers in acceptance rate, such as Wash U which manages to enroll 10-12% of african americans in it's class, accepts about 17% of african american applicants. It would be safe to estimate the acceptance rate at HYPS to be about the same, but likely a little lower.</p>
<p>Okay, thanks for the info Tyler. You are saying 10% greater (that is, around the same percentage) for Natives, right?</p>
<p>This I just don't get. Only .7% of the US is Native American while 10%+ is African American....with this in mind, how can these two groups have such similar acceptance rates at top schools? I know Stanford reaches out extremely to Native applicants (and thus getting about 3% undergrads Native American), but keep in mind that WashU has 10-12% African American undergrads and "N/A" percent Native Americans......</p>
<p>Any ideas/opinions about this?</p>
<p>What do you think?</p>
<p>Here is an article from the Stanford News Service:
Record</a> numbers apply for admission</p>
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Stanford Report, January 28, 2009
Record numbers apply for admission
Stanford University has received 30,349 undergraduate applications for admission to the Class of 2013, a 20 percent increase over last year's total and an all-time high.</p>
<p>Of the 30,349 applicants, 5,363 appliedand 689 gained admissionthrough the university's early admission program. The remaining 70 percent of those offered admission will be notified at the end of the regular cycle around April 1. The overall admission rate could hover around 7.5 percent for the incoming class.</p>
<p>Students admitted in both December and April will have until May 1 to decide whether to enroll at Stanford.
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<p>More info from <a href="http://www.Stanforddaily.com%5B/url%5D">www.Stanforddaily.com</a></p>
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<p>“We will be very conservative with our admission offers this year because we cannot over-enroll the freshman class this year,” Abbott said. “We expect to admit fewer students than we did last year.”</p>
<p>“If we are under our enrollment target we will admit students from the wait list,” the admission director added.</p>
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<p>Can't believe they repeated what I said. :-)</p>
<p>The</a> Stanford Daily - Breaking News from The Farm Since 1892</p>
<p>Here's a question, do you think that Stanford's extreme selectivity this year will boost its positions in the rankings (if not next year, then somewhere down the line?). US News (which I hate) consistently ranks Stanford right under HYP, but HYP have always had a lower admit rate than Stanford. I think Stanford's admit rate this year will be lower than Yale's and Princeton's and on par or slightly above Harvard's. As selectivity is one of the most readily available, and, arguably, reliable relative measure of a school, do you think Stanford will be seen even higher in the public eye?</p>
<p>Remember the "public eye" doesn't really care, the "public" doesn't pay attention to USNWR-it reads Sports Illustrated!</p>
<p>Selectivity says nothing about the quality of the school. It says alot about the "perceived" quality of a school. And there are alot of things schools can do to artificially lower its acceptance rate( like actively recruiting unqualified applicants to apply).</p>
<p>Yeah, I agree with supereagle10, I feel like WashU does that a lot just because they want to lower their acceptance rate, but, nonetheless, I love that school and it's probably my top choice with Stanford! Lol. But, yeah, I would say Stanford students have a better quality of life than those at Harvard, but that's just my opinion. I really don't know too much about HYP as I'm not even applying to any.....so I suppose I shouldn't talk....</p>
<p>Supereagle, are you for sure going to Stanford or have you applied to others as well (through RD programs)?</p>
<p>Beef Supreme,</p>
<p>I would venture to guess that they will admit 2200/30349, which translates to about 7.2% in admission rate. They may enroll around 1582 eventually, if they can hold their last year's yield without drawing from waitlist. Just in case the yield is lower, they can just draw from the waitlist. That seems the way to go for me.</p>
<p>I try to ignore Yale and Princeton while they are becoming meaningless to compete with Stanford (sorry if I am offending some people, since I am hiding under Stanford's thread, I consider myself safe here. :-)) Harvard could get 2000/29000 = 6.9%. This is just an estimate since they never give an exact number for which we have to wait till they publish it in April.</p>
<p>Harvard and Princeton went on a new venture to eliminate SECA last year, and thought that they could do anything they wanted just by using their names. Their overconfident eventually could average them out with other ivies except Yale, provided that they continue to do so. The reason is that nobody talks about them until the SECA is over each year. A lot of people set their minds on Stanford/Yale or MIT while they could consider Harvard or Princeton for the SECA. For those who get in SECA at SYM would just try to extend their luck with them. Harvard drew 200 from waitlist last year, so many could not make any decisions till early June.</p>
<p>I am not sure how the ranking was done. They can twist the data or not even look at the data to put Harvard on top and Stanford on the 4th. I would say the ranking is not that important for those who get in, but to keep them stay with Stanford is a fight. If most of Stanford admits can be convinced during their decision period (in April) that their destinations are Stanford, it spells a big win for Stanford. The factors include the admit-weekend, the extremely lower yield when the media hypes it, Stanford people on the CC, etc.</p>
<p>I do see that Stanford will become the university most difficult to get in the US by this time next year. And we will see how that will affect the ranking in the usnews.</p>
<p>I probably should say SCEA instead of SECA in my last post. Anyway, winning the cross-admits among HYPS is more important than which one is at the top of usnews. But lately I realized that even this may not be a measure to judge a school. There are so many reasons why a person chooses a school over the other, sometimes it is mainly about the money.</p>
<p>When will Stanford RD admits know of their financial aid package? Is there a date that colleges release these packages?</p>
<p>The website says starting on April 1, just like their decisions.</p>
<p>I believe that you hear about your admissions via email around 4/1, and you are then able to go online into the Stanford system to check your FA award. Paper copies of both the admissions and FA letters come a few days after the email notification.</p>
<p>Just the kind of post I was looking for, ewho. Thanks. More opinions? I think Stanford is on the rise, in twenty years it will have Harvard's spot and be winning all the cross-admits (well, the majority of them).</p>
<p>dpattzlover, I am 90% sure im going to Stanford. Great school with great aid= good chance of me going.</p>
<p>And beefsupreme, what makes you think Stanford will have Harvards "spot"?</p>