<p>“Stanford is not way more prestigious than Oxford anywhere. Oxford is the most prestigious university on the Earth. If we’re talking about selectivity as a gauge of prestige, Stanford is not quite HYP level and belongs more with Columbia and Duke. Although, to be fair, its academic programs and faculty are stronger.”</p>
<p>Oxford may be the most prestigious university in eyes of people or decedents of people in former British colonies, but it’s a top ten university that doesn’t crack the top three, maybe not even the top five. In terms of aggregate prestige and power, Cambridge surpassed Oxford, and Harvard is quite a distance ahead of Cambridge. Stanford is the institution in the second place and the only one that has any chance of challenging Harvard for the top spot. Comparing Stanford as an institution to Columbia and Duke shows that you don’t know much about these institutions at all. Stanford has top business, law, and engineering schools and PhD programs at the top in virtually every field. It has a top notch medical school too, even though it has had some problems in recent years.</p>
<p>Based on odds, I’d say, YES, you’d have more odds getting into Oxbridge than into Ivies, save for Cornell and UPenn. However, the requirements are different for Oxbridge and ivies. For example, to get onto maths at Cambridge you’d need A<em>AA at A-Levels with grades 1 or 2 in STEP (Sixth Term Examination Papers). And, that’s even for the least selective college at Cambridge like Girton. For some colleges such as at King’s or Fitzwilliam, they would require A</em>AA at A-Levels plus a grade of 1 in STEP I, STEP II and STEP III. I’m not sure if all those math majors at, say, Yale or Princeton or Dartmouth of UPenn have such grades to back them up should they apply to Oxbridge. And, that’s precisely why I won’t stupidly compare those institutions.</p>
<p>^ True- another point- People at Yale, Princeton, Dartmouth are not admitted by majors, so they would be strong all round.</p>
<p>I would be sincere- I am kind of bored with this debate myself. No one is going to win, and I dont think all this typing going to change opinions</p>
<p>lesdiablesbleus, based on just released cross-admits information for class of 2014, Stanford won the cross-admits 63% over Princeton, 60% over MIT, tied with Yale, and lost to Harvard by 38% (Harvard won by 62%). No info about Columbia and Duke, but my guess is about 85% to 90%. No info about Oxford, maybe close to 100%.</p>
<p>B4 you pull the same righteous card as Dionysus, I can show you several posts of yours predating mine in which you compare UK and US universities without even laying foundations for your claims. Even better I can present likely a 100 threads in which you make ridiculous assertions on comparing universities that would make a high school kid blush. Threads that claim this school is stronger than that school when there is no basis for comparison either. Or at least a billion threads in which you talk about prestige, e.t.c for pages.</p>
<p>We are all guilty of doing that and straying a bit off-topic on threads so all this sudden intellectual uppityness is unfounded.</p>
Then give yourself a break and stop reading and posting on this thread. No one has actually asked you to read, let alone post on this thread, in case you’ve forgotten that. LOL</p>
<p>I have no data for those cross-admits of both universities, but I doubt if Stanford would have almost 100% yield against Oxford as Oxford’s yield rate is very high, close to over 90% actually.</p>
<p>I’ll say Oxford, but really they are both prestigious. Internationally it’s definitely Oxford, but in the US both may carry equal weight. Either way, you won’t go wrong.</p>
<p>I’d like to continue our discussion sefago but I’d like to reply to IvyPBear’s farcical post first. I’ll try to reply to them tomorrow, but just in case I don’t get a chance to say it; you can look through my posts if you wish but I guarantee you won’t find anything near the level of sanctimonious BS you’ve displayed.</p>
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<p>Do you have any evidence to support these farcical claims? I am amazed nobody has rebuffed you before now. I wasn’t aware you are privy to the thoughts of everyone. Oxford is seen by nearly everyone (informed or not) to be one of the most prestigious universities in the world. That is an inarguable fact. That is not to say it is the best, but it is certainly believed to be by a great many people.</p>
<p>Britain does certainly not use Oxford as a tool to “maintain” anything (how can you maintain a former empire?) The days of empire are truly behind the British people, many people my age are unaware we even had one. I can’t speak for Asia, but in Europe Stanford’s name is even more anonymous than in Britain.</p>
<p>Does not matter- for example, if 8 people are cross admitted and all 8 go to Stanford that’s a perfect yield against Oxford. You get it? It has nothing to do with the actual yield of the university except if it has a 100% yield.</p>
Stanford made no mention of Oxbridge in its report. Maybe the number of the cross-admits is small. But, at least those admitted international students (140 enrolled) did not make Stanford worry about losing them to Oxbridge. With 7.1% admit rate overall, they may get less than 10 from England.</p>
<p>You used sanctimonious wrongly. I am not trying to score brownie points but I am a bit confused. Sanctimonious means “feigned holiness” and I have been anything but righteous. I would assume you want me to find posts in which you use language as strongly as mine. But that is not possible- we both have two different ways of thinking, and even more different writing styles as well as different experiences. I tend to write aggressively too. Its a style, its not personal.</p>
<p>These are all perfectly legit and are your own opinion. I never called you anti-american for these. I know you covered yourself by alluding to the fact that you made statements on the liberal art system. But do you really know what the liberal art system is about? Moreover have you ever sat in a US university? But you made an assertion based on your opinion despite not knowing anything. Then a few threads later you start being sanctimonious in the true sense on the word advising others not to do what you have done b4. </p>
<p>As I said this is getting out of point. The thread was made in 2005. I only responded initially to the claim that “you had never heard of Stanford” which was shocking. But in retrospect that would make sense if you live in Europe or if you are not interested in the sciences.</p>
<p>sefago, I’m beginning to seriously think that you are a kindergarten student. Do yourself a favor – stop posting on this thread. You offer nothing substantive other than your usual stupid comments and flame-baiting.</p>
<p>and, btw, isn’t it obvious that we were talking about the selectivity level of oxbridge vis-a-vis ivies? LOL</p>
<p>Hmm . . . Ok, I am just going to do the right thing and just ignore your post. We could bicker for hours and call each other names but that’s about it. Life goes on. This is just the internet. Chill man</p>
Oxford’s yield rate holds no water in an international context. Most of its applicants are British and students are forbidden to apply to its biggest and only domestic competitor, Cambridge. It’s possible that Oxford’s cross-admit ratios are quite low internationally speaking.</p>
<p>You guys have been drinking too much red kool-aid. Stanford more prestigious than Oxford? Yeah, right. Many people don’t even consider Stanford as prestigious as Princeton or Yale. </p>
<p>Oxford has a reputation and gravitas that has nothing to do with engineering rankings or acceptance rates. It has a formidable list of alumni going back nearly 1000 years. How many Stanford alumni can an average person name, one or two?</p>
<p>Stanford has been around for barely more than a century. It nearly collapsed repeatedly from financial woes, and it didn’t start gaining reputation until a mere 60 years ago. Even now nearly half of Stanford undergraduates come from its own state…how unimpressive.</p>
There are temples in China go back to 4000 years. Can you name any alums?<br>
Get your number right please. Besides, California’s population is about 37 mln and England’s is about 61 mln. What is the percentage that Oxford gets from England? Actually I am curious to know.</p>
<p>TBH, I can’t find to many important Oxford alums. I scrolled down their list and the only people I found and recognized were Tony Blair and Margaret Thatcher. Fill me in?</p>
<p>Stanford has Herbert Hoover and a bunch of dropouts such as John Steinbeck, Steven Balmer, and JFK.</p>
<p>Good heavens, sentimentGX4. How about Stephen Hawking, RIchard Dawkins, Erwin Schrodiger, TE Lawrence (aka Lawerence of Arabia), Shelley, CS Lewism Cardinal Wolsey, Hubble, Huxley, Robert Graves, Graham Greene? That’s just a few from this century.</p>