@DeepBlue86 from has now been confirmed numerous times from Nodorf and others, it is clear that UChicago admissions rate will be about same or a touch better than last year. YIeld will be materially better. Test scores the best ever. From what I have been told, they want to release precise numbers. Final yield will not be known until Kate summer and there are always folks who get off waitlist elsewhere and don’t show.
@Chrchill I’ve heard what’s been stated orally about the headline numbers, but I’m particularly interested in how many kids applied and were admitted in each of the EA/ED/RD rounds - we’ll see if they disclose that. I’m not sure they’re going to want to confirm, as many suspect, that they filled two-thirds to three-quarters of the class in the ED rounds, and that the odds of getting in ED were 10x those of RD. I guess for now they’re saying they can’t release their app returns because they’re under audit…
@DeepBlue86 Unlike the President, they never mentioned … audit. The math mavens here should be able to reverse engineer numbers pretty well. Here is what we know
28-29, 000 total apps
9 perfect EA and ED1 acceptance rate from 11-13,000 applications.
2 percent RD acceptance
lols… Segey Brin and Larry Page were Stanford grad drop outs…
trust me there would be no google if they were still at Maryland and Michigan.
Stanford is the birthplace of silicon valley leads all universities in startup activity
Berkeley second
MIT third.
http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/09/the-top-universities-producing-vc-backed-entrepreneurs/
Stanford is the only university that has a top 3 in Biz law medicine and engineering. just an fyi:)
Stanford is now the gold standard of universities… No one says hey how can we be like H…or YP or an ivy…
Stanford and Silicon Valley is the envy or the world and the model university that is the gold standard other universities are emulating… including Cambridge, MIT, Texas and Harvard.
Stanford pioneered the close ties with industry… the first university industrial park in the country… close collaboration with VC (sand hill road).
@Penn95 I don’t think you have made your case. Stanford was an elite school even in 2006. Anyway it is time to move on.
I don’t think relative grad-level strength is transferable to the undergraduate level – if you have the #4 master’s program in English, for instance, that does not mean that you are top-10 in English at the undergrad level – but I think it does mean that the undergrad program is probably at least decent. But that’s as far as I will go in using grad rankings to predict undergraduate program quality.
(I would also say that the lack of a high ranking at the grad level does not necessarily mean that the undergrad version sucks…)
At the undergrad level, what sets these schools apart are the following, IMO:
- Academic bread and butter/bell cow: Which two or three programs are most famous/important to the school? Which programs get funded first and bring in the most investments? You can't emphasize everything. At Stanford I would imagine it's CS and Engineering; at Princeton, maybe Physics and Econ; at Yale, maybe English and Classics; at Harvard, maybe History and Math (?). These are the things the schools emphasize, what they take the most pride in, and what they will fight hardest to maintain greatness in.
- Undergrad emphasis. I've written enough on this already. Which does the school serve more, grads or undergrads? That has far-reaching implications, from who gets the research spots, to whom the top profs teach, to whom the trustees actually care about and cater to most. Is it a place for research primarily, or a place for professional schools primarily, or a place for undergraduates primarily? Who's the top priority?
- Environment/weather
- Food/Dorms
- Academic and career support
- Research opportunities (as applicable)
- Student-prof interaction (may be differences in the frequency or depth of interaction)
- Social vibe
- Academic calendar
- Majors and courses available
- Distribution requirements
- Cost/Fin Aid
In other words, it’s the usual fit variables. That’s how kids should choose among these, or any other, schools at the undergraduate level. Nobody is going to exhaust any subject’s knowledge as an undergrad, so grad/PhD level reputations and resources should not be of primary concern.
Of course Stanford was an elite school in 2006, as it was in 1996 and 1986. And of course Yale and Princeton are super elite schools and also were in the past. But that doesn’t mean that they do not live in Harvard’s shadow in many ways.
But In the past 1-2 decades Stanford has broken out of that, and has come to challenge Harvard in ways that Yale or Princeton never have, Harvard has never felt insecure towards YP, because it bests them in virtually all metrics. But that cannot be said about Stanford.
Examples:
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2014/10/30/stanford-vs-harvard/
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2016/4/8/stanford-beats-harvard-admissions-rate-again/
There goes the neighborhood - when the whatever-or-whoever-he-is called sbballer searches on “Stanford” and finds a thread, all meaningful discussion comes to an end, elbowed out by cheerleading in English beneath the level of a Stanford student and obviously false statements. The one in this case:
If Stanford didn’t care about where they stood relative to HYP, their faculty senate wouldn’t be publishing and debating their numbers of HYP cross-admits, as analyzed by Mathacle / @ewho (see upthread).
@Penn95: asserting the same thing over and over won’t change any minds, tbh. At this point, nothing new is being said here.
As long as Stanford remains one of the top 10 prestigious colleges, I think their West coast location and nicer weather will continue to attract many West, East, in-between regions and international students. I will concern myself with Stanford’s reputation when the acronym HYPSM changes to HYPM. I do have a feeling though that Stanford’s rep will continue to grow due to its land size and growing endowments.
SMHYP… nuff said. new world
…not for undergrad. Princeton and Yale are every bit as good, possibly better, for undergraduate education (as/than HMS), based on prof interaction and undergraduate emphasis. (especially Princeton)
And Chicago may join the quintet if they ever get around to offering an Engineering program…
…and not your world, I strongly suspect (despite what you claim on at least one other thread). From the ToS, just fyi:
Happy to admit I’m wrong, if you can prove it.
Lol sbballer. Yes, for undergrad, academic quality wise, I would say there are around 20 schools which can claim they are one of the best in certain programs – I agree with that. Since I have not attended all of those colleges during similar times, what I heard from others is my guide. I heard great things about Harvard,Columbia, Chicago, Brown, Princeton, Yale, Rice, Stanford, MIT, CalTech, Cornell, Georgetown, Williams, Swarthmore, Amherst, Pomona, Clare-McKenna, Harvey-Mudd etc.
For what it’s worth, I went to a college seminar where recent graduates from Yale, Stanford and Princeton comprised the panel, and I was most impressed by a Yale graduate. I found the Stanford graduate guy boring. I then went to another presentation and was highly impressed by one Brown graduate who delivered a very effective presentation on Brown.
Actually, the worst tour guide was a Stanford tour guide (an exception I believe) also, but my kid still going to Stanford. It just goes to show you you shouldn’t make a decision based one or two people you meet from certain schools. Lol
It is interesting that many of posters compare schools based upon how white males do financially. Why doesn’t some one do a list with women or minorities only? Also the whole world does not revolve around CS!
I am not a white male, and from what I can tell, there is nothing in these posts that is specific to white males.
@websensation you can hardly judge a university by a single encounter with one graduate. [-(
There is nothing specific as to white males except all the names posted above. Take a look at post 152 for example. I think white males are roughly one third of this country. What do the schools do for women and minorities and the other two thirds of the country???
It wasn’t that long ago that Stanford’s biggest rival was Berkeley, not just in sports but to a large extent academically as well. Still true for many graduate programs but not as much anymore at the undergraduate level. And likewise HYP I believe historically saw each other as their primary rivals.
In addition to the enhanced status of Silicon Valley, as discussed above, I think another aspect is Stanford’s decision about 10 years ago to substantially increase financial aid. Prior to that there were a good number of admits who went somewhere else, especially Berkeley, for financial reasons.
Now the situation is reversed, and for many admits (though obviously not the full pay ones), Stanford is cheaper on a net basis than anywhere except HYP, which are the only other schools with endowments per student that are comparable.
On the endowment per student metric actually, last time I looked, the rank ordering is Princeton, then Yale, Harvard, Stanford in that order. Probably not coincidentally, if I recall correctly, it was Princeton that started the move to more generous aid, followed by the other three. The other five Ivies don’t have the money to do that and I believe the same is true for Chicago, Duke etc.