Stanford vs. Penn vs. Pomona vs. Rice--Please help!!!

<p>I think I've narrowed down my college choices to these 4. I'm having a hard time deciding, especially because I won't be able to visit Penn or Rice, and I'm not visiting Stanford until the last weekend of the month during Admit Days. I'm really extremely stressd so any help would be great :)</p>

<p>What I'm looking for....
- diverse campus, access to the city, lots of campus spirit, strong sense of community
-not too many large classes (large for me being 200+ students), not too many TAs
-major: Public Policy, Urban Studies, Molecular Bio/Bio
-research, internships available without being too cutthroat
-I plan to study abroad; strong study abroad program (esp a Washington DC Semester Program)
-Work/volunteer in the community</p>

<p>I love mostly everything about Penn & Stanford in terms of academics and extracurriculars--but the big size and lots of graduate students makes them less appealing in comparison to Rice & Pomona. Penn also has the ABCs (Academically Based Community Service) which is a huge plus. I know that Pomona wouldn't have the same diversity as the others, but I love its smaller size.</p>

<p>Financially wise, the packages are about equal so the decision is truly up to me! Except Rice gives loans and the other 3 do not. </p>

<p>Any advice/opinions would be greatly appreciated!! I'm really torn between all these great schools.</p>

<p>Sounds like you’re leaning towards Pomona…a great choice if you like the smaller community feel.</p>

<p>But the Inland Empire is no San Fran Bay Area, Philadelphia, or even Houston.</p>

<p>Oh, and I love French Silk Pie! Chocolatey and rich…mmmmm</p>

<p>I’m a Stanford student, so I can tell you what I know.</p>

<p>Just in the criteria you mention, I’d say Stanford is by far the best option, though the others have their strengths given what you want. What do you mean by “diverse”? Stanford’s student body is only 32% Caucasian, and it’s also the most socioeconomically diverse (highest proportion of low-income students among private universities–17% Pell Grantees, and 15-20% first-generation). You’d also have access to San Francisco, San Jose, etc. among the other smaller cities around campus. As for large/small classes, 75% of Stanford’s courses have fewer than 15 students, and less than 2% are larger than 120. All are taught by professors, though of course you’ll have TAs supplementing the course (small sections). You’ll also have the option of doing independent study, in which you work one-on-one with a professor on a topic of your choice for 1-5 units (a really awesome experience, similar to the tutorial system at Oxbridge).</p>

<p>As for research and internships: on-campus ones are relatively easy to get, since you apply to a department(s) and the standard rate is $5,600 for 10 weeks. There’s a reason that Stanford allocates more money to undergraduate research than any other university–$4-5 million per year. So many students do internships too, so Stanford holds Summer Research College (SRC), held in two adjoining dorms on campus (~220 students, though many more students doing research over the summer opt to live elsewhere). Stanford’s also part of an internship network along with Penn and some others I can’t remember.</p>

<p>It also offers awesome interdisciplinary programs in public policy and urban studies:</p>

<p>[Program</a> on Urban Studies](<a href=“http://www.stanford.edu/dept/URBS/]Program”>http://www.stanford.edu/dept/URBS/)
[Public</a> Policy Program](<a href=“http://publicpolicy.stanford.edu/]Public”>http://publicpolicy.stanford.edu/)</p>

<p>And you’ll also have access to courses at the law and business schools. I’ll add that the public policy program is known on campus to be very rigorous, requiring more than basic calculus, econ, etc.</p>

<p>Stanford’s ranked #1 for biology and #2 for molecular biology.</p>

<p>[Best</a> Biological Science Programs | Top Science Schools | US News Best Graduate Schools](<a href=“http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-science-schools/biological-sciences-rankings]Best”>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-science-schools/biological-sciences-rankings)
[Best</a> Molecular Biology Programs | Top Science Schools | US News Best Graduate Schools](<a href=“http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-science-schools/molecular-biology-rankings]Best”>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-science-schools/molecular-biology-rankings)</p>

<p>Its study abroad program (Bing Overseas Study, or BOSP) is really strong–half the students at Stanford study abroad at least once, and many students go for more than one quarter. It also has the Stanford in Washington program:</p>

<p>[Home</a> | Bing Stanford in Washington](<a href=“http://bsiw.stanford.edu/home.html]Home”>http://bsiw.stanford.edu/home.html)
[Bing</a> Overseas Studies Stanford University](<a href=“http://bosp.stanford.edu/]Bing”>http://bosp.stanford.edu/)</p>

<p>On volunteering, Stanford has the Haas Center for Public Service, which is recognized as a national model for collegiate public service centers.</p>

<p>[Haas</a> Center for Public Service | Student Affairs](<a href=“http://haas.stanford.edu%5DHaas”>http://haas.stanford.edu)</p>

<p>I don’t think you should be concerned about the graduate student population. While Stanford has over 8,000 full-time grad students, they are there to interact with–either as your TAs or, more importantly, as your research collaborators. They are always doing intensive research, and given that Stanford emphasizes collaboration in research, you’ll have an even better chance of doing publishable research with more graduate students.</p>

<p>What I love about Stanford is that it offers the best of both worlds: the large, diverse, myriad-opportunity environment, with the benefits of a small community, which you get in the usually small dorms, classes, and student groups–nearly 700 student groups (each of which offers a small community in itself). I’m finishing at Stanford now and feel I definitely get the most out of the small-community/big-environment divide.</p>

<p>Of course it’ll come down to where you feel you’re most at home, and so you’ll need to wait until you visit to see. I think you’ll like Stanford. ;)</p>

<p>Good luck deciding! :)</p>

<p>^ Phanta, there is only one Haas. ;)</p>

<p>^ Peter Haas > Walter Haas :)</p>

<p>edit: upon further research, it turns out Peter Haas is Walter Haas’ son. Still better. ;)</p>

<p>Stanford is one of the few schools I would opt over Pomona.</p>

<p>You can’t go wrong with any of these schools. Certainly Rice meets all of your criteria, and of all the schools my son visited it had the smallest classes, but I agree that Stanford is probably best. The reputation and the weather are great. Go with your gut after you visit. I don’t think the grad students at Stanford detract from the undergrad environment.</p>

<p>Thanks for all the input!! It is much appreciated. With regards to grad students, I was thinking more like grad students getting better career services, internships, and opportunities to research. Does anyone know of this happening at Penn or Stanford?</p>

<p>^ not at Stanford. Undergrads have the Career Development Center, which is always ready to meet with you, coach you, do mock interviews, write resumes, apply for jobs, apply for grad school, etc. You can make an appointment or just walk in. They’re really friendly there, and if you go to admit weekend, I think they hold an open house for profros. The center itself is in a big house-like building and feels very homey.</p>

<p><a href=“http://studentaffairs.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/cdc/images/021016DG-09-CDC-120x180.jpg[/url]”>http://studentaffairs.stanford.edu/sites/default/files/cdc/images/021016DG-09-CDC-120x180.jpg&lt;/a&gt;
[Career</a> Development Center | Student Affairs](<a href=“http://studentaffairs.stanford.edu/cdc]Career”>http://studentaffairs.stanford.edu/cdc)</p>

<p>As for internships, I think grad students generally go for internships outside of Stanford, and in general they aren’t your competition (the ones that grad students go for are typically for those pursuing a PhD). Most departments have specific internships for undergrads. Here’s an incomplete list of these departments (there are many not on here that also offer internships for undergrads but don’t have an established “program”):</p>

<p>[Departmental</a> Research Programs | Undergraduate Academic Life](<a href=“http://www.stanford.edu/dept/undergrad/cgi-bin/drupal_ual/OO_research_opps_ResearchDepartments.html]Departmental”>http://www.stanford.edu/dept/undergrad/cgi-bin/drupal_ual/OO_research_opps_ResearchDepartments.html)</p>

<p>Of course there are lots of internships available outside of Stanford, and the CDC will help you get them. </p>

<p>[Internships</a> | Undergraduate Academic Life](<a href=“http://www.stanford.edu/dept/undergrad/cgi-bin/drupal_ual/OO_internships_Internships.html]Internships”>http://www.stanford.edu/dept/undergrad/cgi-bin/drupal_ual/OO_internships_Internships.html)</p>

<p>And on research: it’s easy to get involved in research. Like I said, grad students don’t detract from that–they make it easier to get involved, and can often give you a direct path to involvement with a prof by allowing you to collaborate on research that the grad student is doing with his/her adviser.</p>

<p>[Research</a> Opportunities | Undergraduate Academic Life](<a href=“http://www.stanford.edu/dept/undergrad/cgi-bin/drupal_ual/OO_research_opps_ResearchOpportunities.html]Research”>http://www.stanford.edu/dept/undergrad/cgi-bin/drupal_ual/OO_research_opps_ResearchOpportunities.html)</p>

<p>I encourage you to explore this site fully–it has tons of information on the opportunities for undergrads.</p>

<p>Pomona is farther from LA than you might think. I don’t know much about Rice or Penn. Stanford is probably your best choice right now.</p>

<p>Thanks for all the opinions :slight_smile:
BUMP</p>

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<p>THose are all cool things but none are unique to Stanford. Penn has Penn Career Services ([Career</a> Services, University of Pennsylvania](<a href=“http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/]Career”>http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/)) and the Center for Undergraduate Research & Fellowships (CURF for short) [Center</a> for Undergraduate Research and Fellowships](<a href=“Penn CURF”>Penn CURF)</p>

<p>Stanford
Pomona
tie - Penn, Rice</p>

<p>If you want the LAC-like environment in your first year at Stanford, check out SLE (Structured Liberal Edcuation) at Stanford. This is a residential program for freshman. D, who is concurrently doing research at the medical school, loves it:</p>

<p>“(SLE) has served as the liberal arts college within the research university: an integrated program in humanities classics (literature, philosophy, and the arts) and writing instruction in which the 90 students live together in the three houses of East Florence Moore Hall. All components of the course take place in the residence: lectures, discussion sections, film screenings, and special events (SLE Salons). The thrice-weekly lectures by distinguished humanities faculty from across the University introduce students to scores of scholars with whom they might like to do further study in sophomore through senior year.”</p>

<p>“Except Rice gives loans and the other 3 do not.”</p>

<p>Run the numbers here: [FinAid</a> | Calculators | Award Letter Comparison Tool](<a href=“Your Guide for College Financial Aid - Finaid”>Award Letter Requirements - Finaid) Rice may be a quick one to scratch off your list.</p>