<p>There are many schools that are not listed on the national clearinghouse as participating members. I take that to mean that if you went to a school that is not listed as participating, the clearinghouse would not have information to give. Is that right?</p>
<p>It’s certainly a better chance than if it was listed.</p>
<p>“It is ridiculous that those students who had a rough start have this burden. Colleges are making what could be deserving students a rough time, and little second chances to be successful in life. Pretty sad.”</p>
<p>Your second chance was to withdraw and start over. You were an idiot and didn’t take that opportunity. You should have researched more thoroughly before letting yourself fail a class, or hell, TALK TO YOUR PROFESSORS OR YOUR ADVISOR before you walk out of a course. They would have told you to withdraw, and the fact that you didn’t even take that effort reflects pretty horrifically on you as a student and your future college should know that.</p>
<p>I’m sorry…who ****ed in your cheerios?</p>
<p>your gpa “resets” from a CC to a four year college BUT graduate schools want transcripts from (surprise!) ALL UNIVERSITIES ATTENDED. </p>
<p>your four year college will indicate on your transcript that you transferred so the graduate school ad com will be expecting those grades. </p>
<p>most grad school ad coms really only care about the last two years because it’s when you take your major classes.</p>
<p>This topic has been beaten dead. </p>
<p>Stop making these “Can I lie, and If I do will I get caught” threads. </p>
<p>If you want to lie on your college application, the more power to you. No one on this website is going to give you the approval you are searching for. </p>
<p>You can look at this situation in two ways. Morally speaking, you are cheating by the very definition. Everyone agrees to certain rules when they apply for colleges and withholding information from your application puts you at a unfair advantage over those that told the truth. One of the rules insists each student sends in all transcripts from all schools attended. Applying for colleges is not like filling out a job application and withholding information is dishonest because you are lying about your past. It is as simple as that. </p>
<p>Practically speaking, knowingly withholding information from colleges is not very smart. They can and probably will find out and then will cancel your application. Red flags come out when they see that there is a gap year between high school and community college. They wonder what you have been up to. It is quite fast and easy for them to check up on an applicant too.</p>
<p>To answer the OP’s question. No one is perfect and if you get on the right path, a few bad grades in your first year will be overshadowed by solid grades in the next years. What colleges don’t want to see is someone who cannot admit to ****ing up at the beginning and learn from mistakes. You are speaking as if you can hide all of your mistakes, whereas in real life, you can’t.</p>
<p>You can’t “erase” an academic record. It will always be with you. While you may be at a disadvantage, it is definitely possible to raise your grade with hard work and a better work ethic. </p>
<p>With a 2.5, your chances of getting into a pharmacy school aren’t great, BUT I think if you can raise that GPA by .5 to 1 point, you can definitely be a very eligible candidate. </p>
<p>In addition, you can also make it up by doing some great ECs. Trust me… I have a friend who failed a lot of classes and did a bunch of great activities. He ended up getting into Rutgers Pharmacy. And when I say he failed, specifically chemistry was one of the classes he didn’t shine in…</p>
<p>It does seem like a big risk and I would think the top colleges are more concerned than other schools about applications being accurate so they probably do more intensive checking. They have the time to do it.</p>
<p>First off I would like to say srose… you are probably a babe :D</p>
<p>And secondly, I would like to point on that browing the forums a bit ( which im sure you have done ) in search of an answer to your question, you have found multiple people saying that either they withheld information, and didn’t get caught, or they know other people that have dont it and not gotten caught. Now my question to you is, how many did you find that said they DID get caught or say they know someone that got caught? I couldn’t find any…
I think that should be sufficient evidence for you to base your decision on. I would however like to point out that while it does support your case, this website is obviously not a full representation of the applying student body. However it is one of the only indicators what so ever, of what you are up against.</p>
<p>Just to point out, I am in the same situation. I did a semester at a JC got 11.5 credits of ~2.4 GPA and then went back to school a year later and have gotten thus far 37 units of literally Straight A’s. In the coming months here I am preparing to commit the same " monstrosity" that you speak of while applying for transfer for junior status into multiple Ivy league, and other elite institutions ( among others of course ).</p>
<p>One thing I would like to explain to you thpught about the clearing house is that if your junior college with the tainted transcript participates in it, this may act as a medium between intended transfer university and the JC.</p>
<p>Another issue is whether or not you received financial aid at the junior college you do not want to report, because obviously if you received aid, you already have a paper trail linking you to, said school.
Everyone here is in a rutt for one reason or another, but hey you have to use the tools you were given, if you do not utilize them, you snooze and you lose.</p>
<p>Welcome to the real world.</p>
<p>-Chowder out.</p>
<p>My god, this hiding transcripts business is like an epidemic on this board. This is the third thread that I’ve seen today asking, essentially, the same question.</p>
<p>The moral which should be taken away from all of these threads is that we are all human. While some of us are seemingly perfect academically, others take a brief detour along the road to perdition before embarking on the path to success. There’s no shame in a horrible academic record, just as long as you’ve changed your ways now and have become a more competent student despite prior ordeals. Really, all you have to do is explain your situation as eloquently as possible when applying as a transfer student since those who review the applications aren’t the stoic, mean-spirited beast who we might think they are; they’re real people who acknowledge perseverance. </p>
<p>Yes, I know the question was about grad school, but I just thought I’d say that.</p>
<p>I have a friend who was in the same very unfortunate predicament. He went to a small four year university for a semester, did horrible, – < 1.0 GPA – and withdrew before the upcoming semester. The following semester, he enrolled at another nearby four year university as an entering freshman, and for a year and a half he did great – ~ 3.80 GPA. As a rising sophomore, he applied to eight universities (Vanderbilt, Michigan, Notre Dame, Syracuse, Duke, Miami, Tulane, and Swarthmore) as a transfer student, and got into five of them (Vanderbilt, Michigan, Miami, Syracuse, and Tulane). He matriculated into Michigan, and even received a scholarship upon his transfer. So basically, don’t lie because only bad happenings can result from it. You want to truly show you can be successful? Well, face your past mishaps, and promise yourself a successful future by learning from your past and utilizing your wisdom on your present. This applies to a lot more than just academia. </p>
<p>P.S.: This is not my life story, nor a fabrication, but it is indeed a true story of preceding events in the life of a personal friend.</p>
<p>How did he get into the second college as an entering freshman?</p>
<p>He was considered an entering freshman, since he was entering with no hours. He withdrew from the first university, rather than transferring the abysmal grades. I advised him to do so, and sort of start anew rather than making up from a bad semester. The second university were aware of his academic record at the prior university. Had he stayed enrolled at the first university, he wouldn’t have gotten up to a 3.80 GPA to overshadow that < 1.0 GPA, and therefore rejected from every university he was otherwise accepted into.</p>
<p>You gave your friend really good advice and he made a good choice to take it. As you said, if he had not his story would be quite different, in that he would have had to transfer with the 1. something gpa. That is were others who are posting are right now so they can’t really compare themselves with your friend and are probably wishing that someone had given them your good advice.</p>
<p>2.5 * 1 + 3.5 * 3 = 3.25</p>
<p>2.5 * 1 + 3.8 * 3 = 3.48</p>
<p>Doesn’t look so bad now, does it? In any case, retake the classes that you didn’t well in and explain in your personal statement how you improved. Talk to pharmacy college admissions people and try to figure out what a good GPA is, find middle 50th percentile GPAs for good schools. If they have a 3.5 GPA “cutoff”, then you can plan accordingly.</p>