<p>I am currently about to start my sophmore year at a community college, i did really bad my freshman year..i had to repeat my bio and english class in the summer...i am at 2.5 and i am trying to go to pharmacy school. I know pharmacy schools look really closely at grades, so they will see that i repeated that bio and english class, i was wondering what if i went to a different community college and started over as a freshman and then transfer to a university to get my bachelors and then apply for pharmacy school, i was wondering would the university or the pharmacy school find out that i went to the first community college ? what are the chances ? i knows its dishonesty..but im willing to lie if its worth it ?</p>
<p>what are some other suggestions, or should i try this ??</p>
<p>Do not lie about your academic history! It probably will not work and you’ll be rescinded if found out. There is a premium on honesty and integrity in this profession and you will be given an opportunity to explain your mistakes (and how you corrected them) in your personal statement. </p>
<p>Alot of freshman have trouble adapting and you can raise your gpa. One science retake from freshman year will not surprise the adcoms. Look for pharmacy schools that consider only the higher grades for retakes, figure out why you’re having trouble, ask for help/tutoring as soon as you need it, and develop new and improved study habits. If you’re planning to get a BS first, you have alot of time to improve your gpa. Many people get accepted without perfect gpas and PCAT scores!</p>
<p>It can also mess you up with financial aid if you lie, because your whole financial aid history will be at the disposal of the financial aid department of the University you transfer to. </p>
<p>Also. There are really heavy background checks involved with Pharmacy work. Any potential employer will totally do a background check on your educational history as well as most anything else.</p>
<p>I think you should, if you have the option, delete this thread and never again consider lying about your academic history. Take responsibility for your work and move on.</p>
<p>I raised my gpa from a 2.7 to a 3.7 in my sophomore year of community college. You can still do it if you retake the courses you screwed up in and kick it into gear. Don’t give up now!</p>
<p>i know i should be honest with my history… but im looking at it realistically… i have a 2.5 after my freshman year at a community college … am i really going to get into pharmacy school with my failing grade in bio and a failing grade in political science ?? i need people to be honest with me, like even if i retook those classes…the fact i failed them still is going to be on my transcript forever. you dont hear people getting into pharm school that messed up …u hear about people getting in with their perfect gpa’s and their perfect pcats… i dont see any other option then “starting over”??</p>
<p>I don’t mean to be the morality police, but your attitude is appalling and frankly scary. You failed biology and political science for whatever reasons and you need to own up to them and do your best to improve. Stop indulging yourself in trying to get us to validate what you know to be wrong, because we won’t. Grow up and own your crap; get yourself together and work extra hard to offset the GPA deficit.</p>
<p>Pharmacists deal with literal life and death scenarios on a daily basis where an error in judgment could cost someone’s health or worse, their life; hence why I find your plan so frightening. Not only would I never want someone like yourself dealing with my medication in any capacity, I honestly am tempted to piece together your real identity and preemptively report you to pharmacy schools if you continue to indicate your intentions so openly.</p>
<p>wow…tons of compassion on these boards…hmmm
Anyways, I don’t think there is anything wrong with not sending past transcripts. It isn’t lying. If I am filling out a job application, I don’t have to put down a job I was fired from in the past down.
When I started CC I never planned to send my transcripts from a previous school. Why? How does that make someone dishonest? I think it is absolutely ridiculous that you even have to do so. You get to pick which act/sat scores you want to send, so why can’t you pick what transcripts to send?</p>
<p>When you sign an agreement with a college, you are agreeing to give them all transcripts. If they find out it’s grounds for dismissal. If they find out after conferring a degree, they can rescind it.</p>
<p>If you’ve ever taken a cent of aid including a loan it will take them ten minutes to catch you. Same if you are attending a state school your CC feeds into.
This is not a lack of compassion, it’s folks telling you lots want to do this and few get away with it because of the clearing house system. </p>
<p>Search this site for many threads on this topic.</p>
<p>“ow…tons of compassion on these boards…hmmm
Anyways, I don’t think there is anything wrong with not sending past transcripts. It isn’t lying. If I am filling out a job application, I don’t have to put down a job I was fired from in the past down.
When I started CC I never planned to send my transcripts from a previous school. Why? How does that make someone dishonest? I think it is absolutely ridiculous that you even have to do so. You get to pick which act/sat scores you want to send, so why can’t you pick what transcripts to send?”</p>
<p>It’s not like a job application. On a job application they do not require you to sign certifying that you have submitted all previous work history. On a college application, YOU DO. It is stated on any accredited college’s application that you must submit all previous college history, and you sign certifying you have done so. So regardless of what you think, it’s lying.</p>
<p>“i know i should be honest with my history… but im looking at it realistically… i have a 2.5 after my freshman year at a community college … am i really going to get into pharmacy school with my failing grade in bio and a failing grade in political science ?? i need people to be honest with me, like even if i retook those classes…the fact i failed them still is going to be on my transcript forever. you dont hear people getting into pharm school that messed up …u hear about people getting in with their perfect gpa’s and their perfect pcats… i dont see any other option then “starting over”??”</p>
<p>Um, no, not necessarily. My school does not know I failed, my new grade replaced the old grade. They have no idea. And even if it did show I doubt it would matter that much. I told Umich flat out that I failed a course and that I retook it for a better grade in one of my essays and they didn’t care. Anything could have happened that first time to cause your bad grades.</p>
<p>You don’t hear about people getting kicked out of school for lying to them doing ANYTHING, do you? I am being honest with you. You are about to make a colossal, career destroying mistake over a couple bad grades. THAT is what’s going to make the pharmacy schools think you’re stupid, not a bad grade after you retook the damn class anyway.</p>
<p>It seems like there are two parts to your situation, the moral part and the practical part. As for the moral part, people lie in many ways on college applications. You are trying to decide if this lie is worth it, given that you will have to pay a price for it. You will most likely have to deal with feelings of guilt and you will probably worry a lot about it. On the other hand, you may regret having told the truth if it turns out that your honesty prevents you from getting into a college that you could have gotten into had you lied. Will you be glad in the end that you told the truth? </p>
<p>On the practical side, you are trying to figure out how likely it is that you will get caught because if you come to believe that you can’t get away with this lie, then you will have your decision and you won’t have to struggle with the moral question. </p>
<p>But you aren’t getting a clear answer to practical question, “how would I get caught”? And maybe that is because no one really knows or if they do know they don’t want to tell you.</p>
<p>You’re comparing SATs to grades that YOU deserved in a class or classes?</p>
<p>There is no such thing as a new transcript. You can go to different college systems and your entire record is still saved. I go to different community college systems, different transcripts, but I still have to provide those grades and that is honoring my side of the agreement.</p>
<p>“Flunker” don’t be down or anything. It was your first year. You can retake those classes and yes they will see whatever grade you received the first time AND the grade that you earned from retaking it and they will see an upward grade trend. You keep that trend up and they’ll see the vast improvement. That type of application is stronger than one that started out strong and started dipping downhill.</p>
<p>You’d be taking a very big risk. If you applied to a UC and they find this out, then supposedly you would never be eligible to apply again in that system.</p>
<p>How can you not compare SAT to grades? You say you earn grades, well you “earn” your SAT score as well.</p>
<p>Yes, I am aware the college applications MAKE you promise to send all your transcripts. What I am saying is that is wrong and should be changed.</p>
<p>Id be willing to bet a large number of people who received low marks in college didn’t receive those scores because they didn’t care, or didn’t try…at least I know for myself it was because I had outside circumstances that caused me to drop out, and I was ignorant to the withdrawal policy, as well as the policy colleges have about sending ALL transcripts. I didn’t have that knowledge when I was 18, I didn’t have the support from my parents or older adults, which brings me to my point…</p>
<p>Why should I have to send those transcripts? I PAID for those classes. I am the one who lost out on the potential credits I could have earned. It does not reflect me as a student, so why? Why not give colleges my fingerprints, blood type, and bra size while im at it? </p>
<p>It is ridiculous that those students who had a rough start have this burden. Colleges are making what could be deserving students a rough time, and little second chances to be successful in life. Pretty sad.</p>
<p>What happens to your gpa when you are done with the four year college and you apply to grad school? Will your bad grades from the first year be calculated in with your grades at the four year college? Or do you start clean with a new gpa when you transfer from cc to a four year college?</p>