Starting over... Looking for Advice.

My credits form Valencia transfer to all the schools I am considering, I’ve checked with everybody’s admissions. They do “direct connect” to UCF, which is pretty well respected. I am not interested in them however for the reasons that they are just in the infancy of ramping things up on all their degree programs and online capabilities. I am fully geared towards getting my Associates Degree and leaving Central Florida to move south… exactly where depends on the best opportunity I can find. I’m looking closer at Miami-Dade College (a C.C. that offers Bachelors), FAU, FIU, and Broward. They all offer full online options in addition to campus classes, I’d love to do campus classes but work may have me needing to do Online. The only school I eliminated from consideration was the University of Miami, mainly because I was given constant sales pitches that attempted to get me to drop everything and enroll with them right now… felt like I was buying a used car from Saul Goodman.

Compmom:
Thank you so much for sharing your personal experience. I feel it is a similar situation I am in. I know some have said load up on coursework, but at the end of the day I have personally felt that who you know is just as important as what you know. I am well aware that my first career job will not be a high ranking, high paying position… those are earned and go to the proven. I need to prove I am worth the entry level position, and so many of them now require experience. I believe that a shining recommendation from an internship or two will help compensate the experience factor, in addition to some good words form former coworkers and managers could give me that edge.

Gouf78:
I am well aware work ethic is huge when landing a career job. What I have learned in my area is that anybody in the service industry long term has a very negative label placed on them. We are looked at as uneducated, lazy, unskilled, and lacking drive to succeed first and foremost. The culture of hospitality is also marred by very unprofessional practices bribery, stealing, cooking the books to make bonuses, and unprofessional relationships to name a few. Sadly I have not worked in a hospitality establishment where I have not witnessed this going on… I just move on when it becomes so unethical that I feel I risk legal trouble just being there. Employers in the area have been burned so many times they toss a resume like mine after looking at my work history. The few interviews I have gotten are swayed away form my work experience and towards my volunteer experience and education, and what I can tell them is nowhere near enough to consider me over others. I go into every interview with an open mind and smile, but am on high alert to attempt to insert my positive ethical qualities, when I know I should be focusing on other things during this golden face time. I know I am worth their time, otherwise I wouldn’t have applied, and the fact that I can land an interview without any industry specific experience tells me I am able to market myself pretty well. I just simply lack the credentials that others applying have, and my work history is a big red flag.

I didn’t outright dismiss Publix, I simply said that they are not in my list of top companies I am applying for. Like you said, research the companies that value work ethic, and I have. Knowing people personally who work for the company is a great resource, and when they don’t talk their job up that resonates pretty big with me. I know those people, and I know their drive and work ethic and if they don’t feel valued there I probably won’t either. I have many friends who are proud of their companies and won’t stop talking about it… those are the kind of employers I want to seek out as well. Starbucks is an interesting notion, and if they offer college assistance. That’s something I have to look into. I worked for Aaron’s Sales and Lease as an Accounts Manager, good pay, decent benefits, high turnover so opportunity to move up, and tutition assistance… only problem 55 to 60 hour work weeks M-S revolving schedule and will not work with a school schedule. Online schools a possibility, but I don’t trust myself enough of an independent learner to succeed college courses under those conditions.

As far as the money being in hospitality, it used to be about years ago. I used to make 40 to 60k a year easy. I’m now netting 20 to 25k, and doing better than many of my peers, while working other odd jobs (Animal Care, Fitness/Personal Training, Scuba Dive Instructing) just to get by. Back then, the economy was great, people were traveling here without looking at the prices, and people in the industry were good at what they do, things have changed drastically. People are coming here less, spending less, learned the art of complaining to get free things or threatening to gripe on yelp. Our response as an industry is to slash prices, overstaff (employees at service industry wages), and give away the house. The worst thing of all the upper mgt/corporate expect the same returns they got form 8 years ago, and threaten mid to lower mgt with their jobs at every turn. This just promotes cooking the books to turn a profit. It’s an overall unsustainable business model, and everything connected to hospitality (vendors, agents, partners, ect) is starting to learn the reality of it, at least here it, as turnover is staggering now. I feel more blessed than my peers who graduated college years ago, since they have the burden of explaining why they didn’t obtain industry specific training after so many years from graduating. My experience may lie with hospitality, but I have had many years to see the writing on the wall with the direction of the industry is going and know it is time to get out. This is the main reason I am going back to college, I need a fresh start and this is why I am on here asking for advice. Thank you for post, it really helped me further think and delve into the reason I am working so hard to make a change.

FWIW, we just hired a 38-year-old as a summer intern (he went back to school to get a business degree) and he did a GREAT job for us…so that is an option.

SouthernHope,
That is what I am hoping to line up with. Thanks for the comment.

So what do you see yourself doing ultimately?
You say you need networking opportunities.
Have you checked into your local Chamber of Commerce? There are many small businesses represented and you can meet people in a more informal setting.
If not the Chamber then other organizations such as Toastmasters has many business people in their midst and adds to working skills at the same time.

I have a few areas of interest. I have always been interested in the Automotive industry, I am not very fond of the compensation structure of the standard dealership. It creates an atmosphere of predatory lending and sales, worked as an entry level technician/apprentice during high school. I really loved the working on cars, but never considered it a career choice. I was able to make more money fixing cars independently, and flipping (buying/fixing/selling) than some of the technicians I use to work with. I found myself enjoying it less when I was trying to make a living doing it, so it became a fun hobby that do on my own time and own schedule.

I also have my own Personal Training and Scuba Dive Instruction business on the side, Undertown Fitness and Recreation.I service clients looking to get into shape, and specific training that complements and adapts various water sports. I also train and certify new scuba divers, and have even given surf lessons to a few clients’ children (I wasn’t even offering that service, it was just requested by an existing client) I love doing this, make OK money, and don’t even consider it work. The only problem is the scheduling and location. Working in hospitality means working on an ever changing schedule, my clients want to see me on their free time which is the weekend… and I never get weekends off. Also my location, can’t service Scuba diving as effectively in Central Florida as I could near the coast. I want to stay independent in these industries and not work within companies for a few reasons. The majority of gyms put so much more effort into sales than they do in client retention, trainers are 100% Independent Contractors they, but only pay $12 to $15 dollars per session hour while earning no other form of compensation at all. I’d rather keep the full $40 per session hour, make my own schedule, and be able to reach out service anybody I want and not gym members only. The scuba industry is just a cluster#&$#, the shop owners cut their own throats when marketing, sales, and professional partnerships. Its a shame really these shop owners are the nicest people you will ever meet, but don’t know their value, and don’t have the ability to talk reasonable prices with their suppliers.

I have interest in all the above, but from my experience directly I would like to avoid the retail end. The compensation and work/life balance just doesn’t seem to be there. I believe education in both finance and international business could help me find a position with a builder, vendor, or certification agency. That would be my ideal situation, I am not limiting myself to any opportunities that appear to be a good career option.

As far as networking opportunities, the local Chamber of Commerce in Osceola County (near me) is a wasteland. I can meet my pick of landscapers looking for minimum wage workers (documentation not required), work today/paid today work, and gas station owners. Orange County is a much more promising opportunities, but they have people chase you out if you are not form Orange County. The trick to that is to come during huge events and get lost in the crowd. I never actually when looking for a job, but went there to pick up clients.

Toastmasters…I’ve never heard of them, what can you tell me about them?

Yes, one needs internships in the field one wants to work in.

JJwinkle,
That is what I was leaning towards. Should I grab 2 internships instead of coursework, or should I go with 1 course and 1 internship? I’m hearing from others at my age coursework is important, but my goal is to get a foot in a door with a company. Then afterwards load up on coursework at the Bachelors level, I do not plan to pursue a Bachelors degree if I cannot land a position that I cannot advance upwards first. I have to be able to realistically justify spending thousands upon thousands before I get into massive debt at this age.

Just for perspective, Orlando is one of the worst areas for aspiring young professionals. Can you relocate? An electrical engineer just transferred to your area and makes about half of what he could make here around Seattle. A co-worker of his has an MS and an MBA and is working for $40k less than he made outside of Boston. Near us, you could get a 6-month medical assistant diploma and get hired immediately for roughly $35k plus health benefits.

The advice my youngest is getting is to approach the business world with useful skills like programming, accounting, import/export compliance or inventory management. From the stories coming back from our transplant, it sounds like bilingual Spanish is a more requirement than bonus. Keep working on that.

Magnetron,
Orlando is one of the worst areas to make a living. The whole industry is driven by theme parks that pay very very low wages that require little to no skill and zero education. When the majority of citizens in a city are broke, the professionals servicing the community has to drop their prices down to Groupon level just to operate. The cost of living here is in no way in line with the pay scale either. My mortgage is $540 a month, and rent for a home equal to it is $900 to $1400. You can get a studio in an absolute war zone for $700. I went that route before I bought, and was robbed so many times I just left my car unlocked and installed a kill switch on my car. I’m originally from Philadelphia and the crime is much worse here… thats saying something.

Relocation is absolutely in the plans for us. I want to finish my degree and pick up a technical certificate in hopes of landing a job that has a real future attached to it. Once I get feel comfortable that I have a potential career, and not just a job for now, I will continue my education and narrow my field of study more. My wife is from Brazil, holds a Bachelors in International Relations, speaks English, Spanish, French, and Portuguese (of course). The best job she could get here is a 10.00 an hour Call Center Job booking reservations for a timeshare. She was also 2 classes shy of completing a second degree in Supply Chain Management from a university in Brazil. We are currently looking into what she has to do to complete the degree here.

Our goal is to move to South Florida, after we have set up ourselves better educationally. We also have figure out what to do with our house. It is worth less than 50k, and we still owe 80k left on it. We want to be able to buy in the future down there, and a short sale or foreclosure would kill that. So we are looking into renting it out. That seems like the smartest thing to do.

Internships give you on hands experience and that will look good on your resume’. A lot of companies have programs that they will pay for your continuing education. Don’t sell yourself short on your hospitality experience which means you work well with people. Do you want to go into International Business. I would do some research in the job market and see what direction you would like to take. If you decide to do interns be sure you have taken classes to do the internship. With technology always changing, research what types of programs are being used. It seems like you are unsure which direction you want to go. Your employer will train you before you start your job so they can mold you. I would definitely research your options.

My goal is to go into International Business, if I had to be more specific I would say my interest lies more in the Marketing, Import/Export, and even banking. Getting a Certificate in Financial Operations, would not only make more more marketable in the job market (hopefully), in addition to covering some of my AA courses along the way. I really really want to avoid the Retail aspect of business. I actually walked out on an interview with Wells Fargo recently because they were so pushy an sales driven, it just screamed of predatory and unethical practices. When I went to Bank of America looking for a Teller job, I was seeing more of the same, so its pretty much a occupational trend I want no part of.

I hope you are right about my hospitality experience meaning something. Hopefully when I move to S. Florida it will, because here in Orlando, it means pretty much nothing, because it is the only industry around and the bar is set very low here.

My educational plan my advisor wrote up for me seems pretty solid. She has me finishing off my Gen Ed. courses this semester, and then the next two semesters are the Intl Business related courses. The 2nd to last and last classes, she has earmarked for either Business Electives or Internships.

I respect the input for many here that are saying load up on classes, but as you just said, internships look good on a resume. Landing a job that I can build on is priority one, then I am going to pursue higher education.