<p>nobody who goes to harvard chooses it for the prestige, you guys all talk about how stupid that route is, and youre right. and 1600 of the brightest kids in the nation arent that dumb either. harvard is a great school with smart, funny, normal, and down to earth kids. anyone who says that ppl attend for the prestige or to boost their egos is just wrong and they probly have never interacted with harvard students. sure there are jerks at harvard, but its not like there arent jerk at other schools. it just bugs me when ppl through out irrational and unqualified assumptions about harvard like "ppl choose to go there not because they like the school but cuz of the prestige, ppl at my school went there cuz they liked the school"
BULL!</p>
<p>I know many Harvard students, and yes, they are all extremely intelligent, talented, funny, whatever, people. Does that mean they don't enjoy dropping the H-bomb? Of course they do. They LOVE to talk amongst themselves about the fact that they attend <em>hahvahd</em>, and the ones that don't actually say it still gloat about it inside. </p>
<p>And there exists absolutely no <em>overwhelming</em> academic difference between HYP and other fine schools. So why does Harvard have such a high yield? Because prestige is the factor that tips many ppl over into deciding to go to Harvard. Prestige is obviously not the only factor and probably not the main one either, but it does make a difference. Relatives might ask a YPS student, "Gee, why didn't you go to Harvard if you were accepted?", but they wouldn't ask the reverse of a Harvard student.</p>
<p>so the only two factors in making a college decision are prestige and academics, correct?
and mentioning you go to harvard and arrogantly gloating about the prestige and value of your school are different. its not like yale students would refrain from mentioning to others that they go to yale. and why the hell would harvard students be interested in talking to each other about how good it makes them feel to go to harvard? thats is absolute nonsense. inteligent ppl arent that boring</p>
<p>***? What is wrong with prestige? You guys keep talking about prestige as if it's a bad thing. </p>
<p>Definition:</p>
<p>pres·tige Audio pronunciation of "prestige" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-stzh, -stj)
n.</p>
<ol>
<li>The level of respect at which one is regarded by others; standing.</li>
<li>A person's high standing among others; honor or esteem.</li>
<li>Widely recognized prominence, distinction, or importance: a position of prestige in diplomatic circles.</li>
</ol>
<p>So the question is, would I want to go to HYP for the prestige? ABSOLUTELY! If you don't like that, well, quite frankly, that's your bloody problem.</p>
<p>nicely said..hehe..why are people afraid to admit it?..it doesnt make you shallow or anything..gawd ..</p>
<p>i'm only fifteen and the reason that I want to attend an Ivy league school is because I want something behind my name that most people would regard more highly, and then I can try and work my way into the powerful class in this country to try and make a difference. You can't deny that one has to fight his way through bureaucracy and high up mukkety mukks in order to make something powerful of yourself. It's just something that I'd like to overtake; I see how screwed up things are in media and in politics, and government and such, if we were to eliminate some of those problems that exist, some of the smallest problems, then we could finally say that we are a country of humane values and only then could this country have substantiated patriotic values. You can all see by my CCname what this is all about... and that is why I want the Ivy experience- for empowerment so that I can help this country to follow a righteous path.</p>
<p>stefo: If you don't like the facts that I presented based on my personal experience, there's nothing that I can do about it. You might not want to go to Harvard for the prestige, but why can't you believe that there are those who do?</p>
<p>EDIT: I'm not saying that H-students sit around all day talking about the fact that they go to Harvard. In fact, most of them are too involved in classwork, EC's to care about it too much. But there certainly are moments or self-satisfaction/pride, especially with ppl in their hometowns, when they can say "I go to Harvard."</p>
<p>nice speech! noble cause.</p>
<p>It should be obvious that an Ivy league education extends far beyond "prestige" alone. Nothing wrong with being a prestige-whore, I guess, but there's more to seeking out an Ivy education:
intellectual stimulation, networking and connections, better paying job, amazing opportunities, a good education, top facilities and faculty, greater financial assistance ... the list goes on.</p>
<p>you didnt present any "facts" asterstar
you related an anecdote about harvard students and claimed that the reason common yale-harvard admits choose harvard is cuz of the prestige
just a meaningless story and a rampant speculation, but not a fact to be found</p>
<p>there doesn't need to be facts...geez...it's not a myth that some, a lot, of kids go to Harvard because it has a name. And it's a name people look up from their conversations when they hear it. It's a name businesses listen for. Princeton and Yale also have names. And there's nothing wrong with saying, i want to go to Harvard because of its great liberal arts program and because it's got a reputation.</p>
<p>'But there certainly are moments or self-satisfaction/pride, especially with ppl in their hometowns, when they can say "I go to Harvard."'
so what? if going to harvard is your goal and you acheive it why would/can you not feel self-satisfaction/pride?</p>
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<blockquote> <p>Your notions about the ivy league is based on a culture that no longer exists.<<</p> </blockquote>
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<p>How do you know what my notions about the Ivy League are?</p>
<p>i never said there needed to be facts, but asterstars weak retaliation to my comment was that i didnt agree wit his "facts"</p>
<p>This whole discussion is a complete waste of time.</p>
<p>What are people trying to say here? Prestige is bad? Harvard is crap? Ivy league in general is crap? </p>
<p>Seriously, if you've got something to say. Just say it, don't beat around the bush and skirt the issue.</p>
<p>hey lets all agree on this:</p>
<p>wed all love to go to an ivy league school hands down. we know that the education at those schools is wonderful, that they are prestigious, and that they truly encourage intellectual development.</p>
<p>that being said, harvard is <em>USUALLY</em> considered to be the pinnacle of the American education establishment...much liek Oxford is considered in the world at large. I truly do believe that "sropping the H-bomb" will turn more heads than Yale or Princeton will - its just natural, Harvard is the oldest and most storied institution this country has, and somehow has edged out Yale and Princeton for "#1 stunner status" in the US. That doesnt mean that the education offered at yale or princeton is in any way inferior to that of Harvard - its just that somehow, the Harvard name is more marketable.</p>
<p>And i have visited Harvard, and spent the night with severla students. They all told me specifically that they are uncomfortable when they "drop the H-bomb" because of what some people believe it to connote (social superiority, haughtiness, rich country club lifestyle, etc). However, they all love the fact that they're there, and feel that they accomplished one of their major dreams by attending Harvard. Ok ill shut up now peace.</p>
<p>geez, I wasn't trying to attack your notion of what Harvard is/should be. It's really quite unnecessary to call my post a "retaliation". I was simply saying...some people go to Harvard for the prestige. It is one of many things that pushes them to Harvard, as opposed to other schools. Not once did I a) insult the intelligence of Harvard students b) say that Harvard was bad c) make any comment on whether prestige is a good/bad reason to go to a school for. I'm slightly ashamed to admit it, but prestige is one tiny factor in my own college decision...and I'm trying to reduce that factor to zero. </p>
<p>But as I already said, the Harvard students that I know do not hide the fact that they enjoy the prestige. That may not be your perspective, which is fine. That doesn't mean that those students don't exist, or that the "prestige" reason doesn't exist. </p>
<p>Alright, this is the last post I'll make on this. Didn't mean for it to go on so long, and it really is a drain on time.</p>
<p>you shouldn't be ashamed to admit it. prestige is a big part of schools, and can definitely make something your #1 if you already have a special feeling for a particular school.</p>
<p>It's amazing how humble you become when you arrive and meet your stellar classmates and everyone in Cambridge goes to Harvard! You're just one of the crowd.</p>
<p>what a stupid post..lol.</p>
<p>"It's amazing how humble you become when you arrive and meet your stellar classmates and everyone in Cambridge goes to Harvard! You're just one of the crowd."</p>
<p>you forgot to mention that you'd be one of the kick-ass crowd.</p>