Stereotypes proven true at your school

<p>@ohreally877</p>

<p>Oh-ho! Brought out the old ignorance and naivete argument, have we? You’ll notice, reading hjs876959’s post, that she talks about restrictions on women. In the past. Y’know, like voting rights that weren’t granted until the early 1900’s, several generations ago.</p>

<p>See that first line? I’ll quote it, just in case: “Were males faced with years of discrimination and restrictions?” The idea that women are truly oppressed in today’s First World is not only ludicrous, but insulting to those living abroad and those who lived in the past whose rights do or did not actually exist. An income disparity (which does exist by the way, which is unfortunate) and relatively minor sexism are not the same as oppression, which, you’ll notice, is the word I used above. “Oppression” is a pretty strong action, hardly the same as hiring discrimination and rude jokes. </p>

<p>Look, African-Americans, at one time, were oppressed. Jews, at one time, were oppressed. Women, at one time, were oppressed, but that hardly has any bearing on this thread, and, as I said above, bringing it up at whatever opportunity one gets is excessive and tangential to the conversation in this thread (which is, yeah, a little silly, but whatever; chance posts are sillier).</p>

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<p>thank you tipa891.</p>

<p>I’m male and hate math and science and love humanities.*</p>

<p>*My grades in science and math are usually higher than they are in English.</p>

<p>Well I guess how true these stereotypes are depends on the diversity of your school.
My school is really diverse compared to all of yours
(mostly all these stereotypes would be false at my school) but I have been to some schools that are exactly like yours</p>

<p>I’ve taken advance honors and AP science courses throughout H.S. (Half of my science classes have always been females, just like in my current AP science class I take this year and there are Black and Latino females in them too)</p>

<p>I take honors calculus (half of my class consist of females yet again Black & Latino)</p>

<p>There are white guys on the football and basketball team. ( not every Black guy in the school is on the team)</p>

<p>There are Latinos and blacks in the IB program ( my class valedictorian is Latino)</p>

<p>Not every Asian in the school excels academically ( I have some Asian friends who have had straight A’s since forever and some Asian friends who could care less about academics)</p>

<p>I’m an African American female who excels in math, science, English, basically all subjects
and next year in college I plan on majoring in computer engineering :slight_smile: and I agree with the poster in general females in math and science are rare but we do exist.</p>

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<p>What about the new bill in Virginia that essentially legalizes rape? Or the refusal to give women contraception based off nothing more than a religion’s point of view? Or the constant struggle to gain funding for Planned Parenthood? Or the victim-blaming we see in rape cases? Women are still very oppressed in our society, and it makes me sick.</p>

<p>EDIT: I’m still woefully ignorant on this issue, despite the best efforts of my dear friend ohreally877. I’m sure she’ll elaborate on this much better than I can.</p>

<p>I’m really curious about this bill that legalizes rape.</p>

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<p>And about the contraception thing- it is ridiculous to think that companies/organizations should be coerced by the government to fund things which they don’t support. It’s not like by not paying for contraception directly for the employees makes it so the employees are banned from getting their own stuff. I’m a big libertarian so the idea of the government being able to dictate to us what to buy for ourselves or for our employees is utterly disgusting, whether or not I support whatever is in question.</p>

<p>Anyway, to say that women in America are ‘oppressed’ is an abhorrent slap in the face to people who truly are oppressed throughout the world.</p>

<p>Francaisalamatt, you’ve got to be kidding. Let me get Darfur on the phone so we can teleconference about our definitions of “oppression”. Or, alternately, let me give Saudi Arabia a dial so we can talk about the oppression of women. There are some very stupid things that go on in the United States. I’ll be the first to stand up and acknowledge that our government and our culture are broken, but you have to understand that calling any unfairness “oppression” or “restrictions” (in the literal sense of the word, like laws) cheapens and trivializes real oppression. </p>

<p>Also, I’m with Rusty. I’d like to know about this rape bill (or whatever it really is). Without the hyperbole, though.</p>

<p>Hey Rusty, you’re a guy, right? So with that said, what if I told you that you are never allowed to have contraception available to you if you couldn’t afford it, even though you wanted it and needed it? Besides the whole having sex part, birth control helps women out in numerous ways. For example, they reduce menstrual cramps, offers protection against pelvic inflammatory disease, helps protect women from endometrial and ovarian cancers, prevents headaches and depression, regulates pms, and does countless other things for women, as well as preventing pregnancy. And, everything you said is basically completely wrong. What is going on with the birth control part of the healthcare plan is that Obama wants insurance companies to cover the cost of contraceptives. This means that companies will have to comply with the insurance company’s policies and offer coverage of birth control no matter what their religious background is. Personally speaking, my reproductive organs are my business. This is not a game, much like the politicians and everyone else parading around in Washington is making this all out to be. My body is my body. I will not let anyone’s religion get in the way of my medical needs, much like how I do not want any politician getting in the way of my freedom. Lastly, I’d just like to point out that the fact that you’re a male isn’t helping your argument out much. Thus, you don’t have as much credibility as you think you do.
And please tell me you’re kidding when you say that women are not oppressed. No matter what country you go to, definitely women in many other countries have a much more difficult time, you will find that the society is dominated by males. In our own society, the majority of executives are males. We have never had a woman president. Women haven’t even had the right to vote for one hundred years. Now let’s take a tour of the world, shall we? Everyday women are forced to submit to their husbands and random men and when they don’t they are shamed for it. In some cultures female babies are killed because the father wanted a boy, and many times the woman who gave birth to the child is killed also.
Getting back to the topic of birth control and sex and all of that lovely stuff and the actual topic at hand-stereotypes. When a female does anything and everything she wants, you know what I mean by this, she is perceived as a “slut”, a “whore”, and many other disgusting and hateful words. When a man goes about doing his thing whenever and with whomever he wants, he’s applauded by his friends. Please don’t even try to deny this stereotypical bs known as sexism-which just so happens to be a form of oppression.
At least educate yourself on the topic at hand before going off about how you disagree with it. It’s for the better interest of the people at large.</p>

<p>^^^^ I thought we were talking about stereotypes here. Not sex…</p>

<p>swahh said it better than I ever could.</p>

<p>And the bill in Virginia makes obligatory transvaginal ultrasounds for anyone considering an abortion. So, either a doctor gets to probe around inside a woman’s vagina or she has to have a baby she doesn’t want. Thankfully, I just read that the bill was dropped…</p>

<p>Also, oppression isn’t a relative label; that people around the world are more oppressed than the women here does not mean our women aren’t oppressed. Like swahh said, women are oppressed <em>everywhere</em></p>

<p>I just want to say something…</p>

<p>There are six people in AP Calculus at my school this year. I am NOT in the class. Four of the six are female. The two males are failing while all of the females including an African American female have a 95 or higher.</p>

<p>We have tree diplomas: </p>

<p>Standard, honors, and state-issued. The state-issued is the most rigorous and we have three people getting it this year. All of them are African American females.</p>

<p>descuff- We are. And I did address stereotypes in my post.</p>

<p>Stereotypes and sex are inextricable when it comes to gender…The whole binary is based on heteronormative stereotypes about humanity.</p>

<p>I never asked to know about your reproductive organs, Sawahh, because they ARE your business. What confuses me is why you brought them up if, like you said, they’re of your concern and not mine. Really, isn’t forcing a company to pay for something in effect making it, literally, their business? I would think so, but this is a point I’m certainly not that rabid about (and it’s tangential at best to this idea, because if the lack of free birth control is your best example of “oppression”, you’re really seeking out examples of inequality; to the best of my knowledge and in the interest of fairness, here, condoms aren’t free or covered by health insurance).</p>

<p>This made me giggle a little: “Lastly, I’d just like to point out that the fact that you’re a male isn’t helping your argument out much. Thus, you don’t have as much credibility as you think you do.” That’s one of the more sexist things that’s been said on this thread, so I would suggest you yield your perceived intellectual and moral high ground, there.</p>

<p>Your spiel about global oppression of women was correct, but unwarranted. That’s what I’ve been saying, and nobody in their right mind will disagree that women’s rights are severely lacking in a lot of African and Asian countries (and elsewhere, but the Third World is certainly the most obvious), so I’m not sure what you hope to accomplish, other than the creation of a beautifully-tailored straw man argument to attack. We’re not talking about other countries, especially not those ruled by warlords and sheikhs.</p>

<p>Go back to my original post. I critiqued another poster for bringing up, as a reason for <em>perceived</em> female under-representation in science and mathematics, what he or she called “restrictions”, which I took to mean unfairness in voting, which has been gone for generations, which I stated in my first response. Since you brought up that same topic, let me elaborate: Women have had equal legal rights for decades. Societal roles and concepts (and that is the cause of actual inequality, rather than laws or whatever, is important) that were expressed in ludicrously unjust laws of the past might be the cause of current sexism, so why not transcend society’s mold? Why not move beyond the simple, hypocritical battles, like trying to gain advantages through affirmative action and clamping down on politically incorrect humor, accept equality as mandated by the law, and leave it at that? Real equality is asymptotic: There will exist inequality for generations after all the real barriers to equity have been broken down, and attacking every last enclave of inequality is just a time-consuming impediment to real equity between sexes, or races, or whatever. I tell you, the little fights, getting upset over half-baked “humor” threads like this and battling the B and C words (or in the case of race or mental capacity, slurs that have long since their inception lost their meaning) and that stuff, that’s useless. All it does is antagonize sympathetic moderates like myself.</p>

<p>You should know, too, that I AM sympathetic toward equality and that kind of thing. I like my edgy humor (and by edgy I mean things that get you fined by the FCC and hated by Puritanical, uptight Americans), but at the end of the day, unfairness is unfair and this thread wasn’t really that funny from the start.</p>

<p>Also, I appreciate the coincidence that today is International Women’s Day. </p>

<p>Look, let me make it clear: Stereotypes usually have their basis in fact, but so do 9/11 conspiracy theories, and taking those seriously is regarded as either silly or insane (depending on how seriously you take them!). Stereotypes are like the Daily Show, too, in that they’re good for a laugh in familiar company, but…well, do I have to say it again? The angry “HEY! MY calculus class has more Black women than Asian men in it, and the African-Americans do better than the Asians!” responses are all-too-serious responses that try to debunk the obviously false.</p>

<p>Sawahh-</p>

<p>You seem to think that society owes you birth control. As if the idea that people shouldn’t be required to pay for your wants is an absolute affront to your freedom. You know what? Freedom goes both ways. Claiming that by resisting being coerced to subsidize your choices society is oppressing you…this is mind-bogglingly selfish, arrogant, and closed-minded.</p>

<p>The fact that birth control is not physically necessary is also a big detriment to your argument.</p>

<p>Look, I think birth control should be perfectly legal and available and unrestricted. But to require PRIVATE companies to pay for something which they don’t want to pay for is ignorant. Private property/companies are PRIVATE, which means that they can run themselves how they wish. If they want to cover birth control, then that’s their right. If they don’t want to cover birth control, for economic/moral/whatever reasons, that’s their right. There is no arguing this fact of private property.</p>

<p>It’s not rape if you say “surprise” first.</p>