Stony Brook vs Binghamton

Colleges and Universities A-Z Stony Brook University - SUNY
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<p>If you are thinking about Science field or health profession, Stony is better than some private schools. </p>

<p>Money Matters:
I know a medical doctor who graduated from Harvard Medical School with close to 700k loan debt. Another doctor graduated from NYCity college and Stony Brook U Medical School with minimal debt. Both are working in the same hospital in NYC.
Whether medical or dental, graduate school student loan is major financial burden unless one is from wealthy family.
High school seniors, please find NYTimes article, “Placing the Blame as Students Are Buried in Debt”.</p>

<p>Name of the school does not matter when it comes to health field:
First,I want to quote The NYTimes columnist Gail Collins, "this national fixation makes little sense. “We can do a great service to the youth and parents of America by telling them to stop obsessing about choosing a college,” she wrote recently in The Conversation blog. “Kids, you do not need to go to a school with a name that impresses your friends. Go to a school you can afford.”</p>

<p>I have been a faculty at one of health professional schools in NYC. We “do not judge the book by the cover”. What if their parents could not offer to send them to private schools? As an example, if you google “University of Pennsylvania Dental School student profile”, you will see UPenn Dental School does not prefer particular school over others. </p>

<p>If my ds is thinking about science field for post college degree, I want my child to have some exposure in that field before making a decision. Top notch research center is biking distance from stony.</p>

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<p>Neither Binghamton or Stony brook are private colleges.</p>

<p>As to your contention, it is OT for this thread, however here is the opinion of someone currently attending a top-20 medical school:</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/pre-med-topics/637025-how-important-your-undergraduate-school-med-school.html?[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/pre-med-topics/637025-how-important-your-undergraduate-school-med-school.html?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>“If my ds is thinking about science field for post college degree, I want my child to have some exposure in that field before making a decision. Top notch research center is biking distance from stony.”</p>

<p>I feel like we’re repeating points made previously, but anyway:</p>

<p>The presence of graduate facilities can be very helpful IMO, supporting more advanced level courses for one thing. But how helpful depends on policies relating to their undergraduates, which probably vary considerably at each particular university. Moreover, schools without graduate schools altogether have proven they also can be effective in sponsoring undergraduate research and producing future scientists. In fact, on a percentage basis such schools are among the leaders in producing future science PhDs. Though they have no no graduate school at all.
[EDUCATION</a> - EDUCATION - SCIENCE STUDIES THRIVE AT SMALL COLLEGES - NYTimes.com](<a href=“EDUCATION; SCIENCE STUDIES THRIVE AT SMALL COLLEGES - The New York Times”>EDUCATION; SCIENCE STUDIES THRIVE AT SMALL COLLEGES - The New York Times)</p>

<p>Therefore it would appear that proximity to a “top notch research center” can be of various utility ranging from highly relevant to completely irrelevant,or even a negative if it results in professors who don’t care about their undergrad students. However it is demonstrably not essential to cultivating future scientists.</p>

<p>Binghamton also has a graduate school. A link to the Binghamton undergraduate research page was previously provided. Stony Brook’s graduate science research is a lot better, I hear. But seeing as how undergrads can achieve their objectives even where there is no graduate research programs whatsoever, the fact that Stony Brook may be better at the graduate level may not make much difference to an undergrad pursuing undergrad science studies. </p>

<p>Though it could make a difference, depending on specific implementation at each school. And the claims in #10 about relative ability to place at leading grad programs, based on rec letters by more distinguished researchers, etc, could be true, though this would help only a very small proportion of its students. But in any event there is no data to verify or compare, so far as I know.</p>

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<p>"In the end, some researchers echo that tried-and-perhaps-even-true wisdom of guidance counselors: the extent to which one takes advantage of the educational offerings of an institution may be more important, in the long run, than how prominently and proudly that institution’s name is being displayed on the back windows of cars in the nation’s wealthiest enclaves. </p>

<p>In this analysis, one’s major — and how it aligns with the departmental strengths of a university — may be more significant than the place in the academic pecking order awarded to that college by the statisticians at U.S. News. </p>

<p>“Everything we know from studying college student experiences and outcomes tells us that there is more variability within schools than between them,” said Alexander C. McCormick, a former admissions officer at his alma mater, Dartmouth College, and now an associate professor of education at Indiana University at Bloomington. </p>

<p>“This is the irony, given the dominance of the rankings mentality of who’s No. 5 or No. 50,” Professor McCormick added. “The quality of that biology major offered at School No. 50? It may exceed that at School No. 5.” </p>

<p>from NYTimes, “Is Going to an Elite College Worth the Cost?” </p>

<p>And I believe that the Stony Brook University provides excellent education for those who are interested in the fields of Science or Health Professional.</p>

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<p>“Well here is a list of pros and cons that I, myself, can think of about” Ziljian’s outright racist and moron’s “values” in comparing and contrasting Stony brook and Binghampton:Bing is “better,” according to Ziljian, because it doesn’t have that many “foreigners” in the student body as does Stony brook and it is much more the “party school” than SUNY’s flagship research university of Long Island.</p>

<p>Huh.</p>

<p>Golly, Zilj, by your reckoning, Binghampton is a largely all-white, all-“murkin’” school of drunk provincial boneheads, which we can therefore rename as Republican Party U.</p>

<p>Really?</p>

<p>Well, while we are at it, let’s try another “pros” and “cons” list, except we shall call ours, “Haves” and “Have nots,” to wit:</p>

<p>STONY BROOK:</p>

<p>HAVES:</p>

<p>-NOBEL PRIZE-WINNING FACULTY, a remarkable achievement for a university that is only fifty years old.
-Highly rated, research-oriented medical school.
-Association of American University membership, an invitation only membership accorded to those select universities that qualify as “intensive research” institutions by the number of (a) academic awards won (b) research grants and citations earned and (c) amount in federal research grants in both the sciences and humanities. </p>

<p>Binghampton HAVE NOTS:</p>

<p>NOBEL-PRIZE WINNING faculty.
Medical school of any sort.
Membership in the AAU</p>

<p>You see, “Zilj,” among academics, academically minded parents (I am a Columbia University graduate with honors, and my wife a University of California graduate), what truly makes for a “better school” is (a) an institution whose faculty have won the world’s highest awards for contributions to the sciences and humanities (b) an institution that belongs by peer assessment and invitation to the recognized league of the highest performing research universities, a select group such as the AAU (c) an institution that boasts RACIALLY, ETHNICALLY, CULTURALLY, AND INTERNATIONALLY DIVERSE STUDENT BODY (hence the term “university,” from “universitas,” dig?), and (d) an institution that prizes ACADEMICS over “partying.”</p>

<p>That makes Stony brook the superior university. And that is why my wife and I are happy and proud that our daughter commences Stony brook University in three weeks. </p>

<p>As for Binghampton’s supposed “public Ivy” distinction, the term comes from one man, Richard Moll, who apparently coined the term in his guide, Public Ivies: A Guide to America’s best public undergraduate. </p>

<p>Golly. That’s ever so impressive.</p>

<p>So, Binghampton is a “public Ivy” based upon the formulation of one author in the 1980s. </p>

<p>By contrast, Stony brook is a member of the elite AAU by invitation of the august institutions of the association, world-renowned universities that include, well, Columbia and UC Berkeley (among the only true “public Ivies” in the country by dint of its prodigious academic and scientific achievements over the past century). </p>

<p>Yeah. And you are a student of Stony brook? One must suppose that even in as vibrant and up-and-coming and institution as Stony brook will, inevitably, include a lesser light or two. </p>

<p>That said, don’t argue any more for Binghampton. You make it sound like a paradise for morons and racists. It isn’t. But it certainly is no Stony brook, the true flagship school of the SUNY system.</p>

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<p>Stony Brook is not a good school. You have no idea what you’re talking about. And it’s not vibrant or up-and-coming. It’s dull and down-and-going. Stony Brook is a good research institution. That’s what it really is. Binghamton, however, is a very good school.</p>

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<p>nonname,</p>

<p>You are just proving how dumb you really are. Did you even bother to read Farber’s post? </p>

<p>By the way, in terms of world rankings when it comes to universities, Stony Brook absolutely destroys Binghampton. That’s because the majority of researchers around the world recognize the value of this institution and it’s contribution to research. </p>

<p>You’re clearly in a state of delusion.</p>

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<p>I read everything Farber said and what I said is the correct response.</p>

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<p>Well this thread has been bumped. Anyway,
they are both really good schools. Two of the top in the SUNY system. If you are looking to take advantage of the suny system they are noteworthy choices. In terms of rankings, Binghamton generally scores higher than SB. The USN rankings have Bing at 86, and SB at 99. Which is pretty close. It is consider a ‘Public Ivy’. For public schools USN has Bing at 39, with SB at 45. Bing is also its ranked 6th( I believe) for best value public universities. </p>

<p>Like someone has noted above, Stony is far and away ahead of Bing in the global rankings. QS among others generally have Stony in the 100-200 range, while having Bing tied for like 600th. Which is still impressive. Times Higher Education’s new system actually has SB at 78th in the world. I haven’t really studied the criteria enough to understand the full reasons why there is such a difference between US and World rankings. But SB seems more internationally recognized. </p>

<p>Either way they are both good schools, among the best in the state, and two of most highly regarded suny universities.</p>

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<p>The reason there is such a difference between the rankings and why Stony Brook seems more internationally recognized is because one is a place to conduct research, the other is a place to get an education.</p>

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<p>Yeah because Stony isn’t right behind Bing in US rankings right? Like with national rankings there is criteria evaluated to place schools where they are. If the education supplied at a school isn’t good its not likely to place high.</p>

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<p>USNWR is for undergraduate education. This does not mean a University is better or worse. Bingo has a focus for undergraduate and is slightly top in the charts. Stony Brook is a better university overall because their graduate programs and research are far better than Bingo. Overall Stony Brook is a better University. For that reason Mr.Spitzer wanted Buffalo and Stony Brook to be the official flagships of the state of New York.</p>

<p>There is only a 13 school difference between Stony Brook and Binghamton in USNWR which is largely insignificant. But all the other international rankings show that Stony Brook is a better university as a whole</p>

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<p>SB is a worse university overall. You have it backwards. Binghamton is a quality undergraduate education, but does not have stellar research and graduate programs. Overall, however, it is a fine university. Why? Because it’s parts coalesce into something organized and real. Stony Brook is disorganized and has many, many great graduate programs and research opportunities, so because many of its parts are well-regarded, that morphs into a blurry sense that, well, overall it’s good or better. It’s not. There is no cohesion or sense of organization at the place, just many, many enclaves of many different things, some well-regarded. The university needs to get rid of everything that doesn’t work and keep what does and grow from those things instead trying to be something it’s not.</p>

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<p>Okay, nonname. I guess i haven’t been the one attending Stony Brook University the past four years and I guess i’m not the one that had a sibling attend Binghamton two years before transferring. You can go ahead and continue talking out of impulse based on your OWN personal experience or you can choose to talk about the facts.</p>

<p>Stony Brook is a better University, and as a result, the State of New York has constantly chosed SB one of the two flagship universities.</p>

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<p>You may have, but then I would guess you did not have a sibling NOT transfer after two years at Binghamton and stay an additional two years and then graduate from there. Just saying, you know, based off my “impulses.” You may enjoy the helhole, but most don’t. What can I tell you? And I will say again, Stony Brook is a place for research and graduate work, something Binghamton cannot compare to. Binghamton is a better education, which involves more than going to a classroom and getting an A.</p>

<p>And the reason the state did that was by default, not choice. Competition is increasing and they are feeling the pressure to improve the public face of SUNY, so they figure they’ll play ball with the whole flagship marketing game. Since Binghamton does not encompass all the components, functioning or not, of a flagship type school, it cannot be granted that label. Stony Brook does encompass it, even though many don’t function well. And the reason SUNY never had a flagship campus was both because it’s designed like UC and the state doesn’t give a **** about it because we have many top notch private universities in the state. </p>

<p>And, the fact is, that whole flaghship BS was from one governor of the state giving the state of the state speech tossing around ideas because of what I just said:</p>

<p>[Governor</a> Spitzer Sees Stony Brook University As ‘Flagship’ Institution in SUNY System](<a href=“http://commcgi.cc.stonybrook.edu/am2/publish/General_University_News_2/Governor_Spitzer_Sees_Stony_Brook_University_As_Flagship_Institution_in_the_SUNY_System.shtml]Governor”>http://commcgi.cc.stonybrook.edu/am2/publish/General_University_News_2/Governor_Spitzer_Sees_Stony_Brook_University_As_Flagship_Institution_in_the_SUNY_System.shtml)</p>

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<p>There is always dissatisfied students, and you are one of them but to say that Stony Brook doesn’t offer as good or better education than Bighamton is completely false. First of all, I doubt you can get an honest proof of the statement you just said. I think so far, the education i have been given by the Computer Science department has been great. I won’t deny some professors that dont put to much effort into their job but I had many great professors which far outnumber those that are not as good. Those that lectured my DEC courses were great, and also challenging at time. </p>

<p>One important thing that matters when attending an university is that your experience is greatly affected by the type of person you are. If you are not a social person, then is obvious that you going to struggle having a social life at Stony Brook. Same thing happens with academics. </p>

<p>Stony Brook is not a four-year college with a primary focus in Undergraduate education, it is a University which values Research and Graduate education as much as Undergraduates. If you know the history of the University you would understand that it is only from ten years onward that Undergraduate education has become more important for the university</p>

<p>Your particular experience at Stony Brook is what is shaping your particular views of the University.</p>

<p>I forgot to say that the only reason my sibling transferred from UBingo was because she wanted to attend NYU which is much closer to home as we live in NYC. She loved Binghamton and I was able to visit the university a few times but I still think the University is out comparison with Stony Brook. I would say Binghamton is more of a four-year-college than an University because it stresses undergraduate life too much over graduate studies.</p>

<p>IMO Stony Brook is a true University, Binghmaton is not. Impossible to compare</p>

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<p>excuse me, in the last paragraph I meant undergraduate studies***</p>

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<p>Binghamton is definitely not a “true university,” a flagship university. But SUNY does not have that at all. That is my point. </p>

<p>My particular experience is very, very common as evidenced by this site and 10+ years of the worst possible rating in Princeton Review. So, yes, there are always satisfied students at this university, and you are one of them, but to say that Stony Brook offers as good or better education than Binghamton is completely false.</p>

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<p>Binghamton clearly is a better school than Stony Brook. Binghamton is higher ranked in most if not all college rankings, it has a much lower acceptance rate, and slightly higher retention rate, much higher SAT scores and a better campus/campus life. If anyone would like, I can provide sources for all these facts.</p>

<p>The only thing that Stony Brook has on Binghamton is research dollars, though I suspect in the next few years, this might change quite drastically.</p>

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<p>“Binghamton is higher ranked in most if not all college rankings”</p>

<p>Not true. SB consistently ranks far higher among universities world wide. Bing generally ranks higher in the US, but not by much. </p>

<p>“it has a much lower acceptance rate”</p>

<p>It has a lower acceptance rate, but not by much. Both schools are fairly difficult to get into.</p>

<p>Regardless, both are good schools.</p>

<p>@noname
How can you claim that Bing is the greatest thing while also saying Stony is “not a good school”? What in the world are you basing this assertion on? One can argue that Binghamton is a little better, but to say its far better while Stony is not good at all is a false and backless argument to make.</p>