<p>BTW, as an aside, FWIW, back several pgs ago, the statistics that Bovertine posted from collegeboard were more current (2010) than those that POIH posted (2006). Not dramatic differences, but there were changes over the past few years.</p>
<p>Pizzagirl, I was speaking of the OP’s FEELINGS. This student is FEELING bad, and when stuff like this happens, life FEELS unfair. Sure, the kid has some other great options … that doesn’t discount the feelings involved. By saying life is not fair, I am not intimating that this situation is “fair” or “unfair” … rather, I am recognizing that this type of situation feels unfair in the sense that when one works so hard, he might have a legitimate hope of an acceptance … and he might feel more than a bit like it all s**ks when the rejections roll in. </p>
<p>Geez, folks, give the guy a break. I understand exactly where he is coming from (and no, I am not an Asian, nor was I ever rejected from an ivy) … I have suffered disappointment in my life, and I realize that this is a big deal for the OP and his friends. A little sympathy never hurts.</p>
<p>There are times on cc when a word in an OP’s thread title or in the OP will cause quite a stir. Some of the trigger words that come to mind are words like “slacker” or “genius” or “super smart”. If the OP had been written with “Asian” omitted, this thread would not have generated 300+ posts in one day. It would have gotten some supportive, sympathetic posts, but certainly not the firestorm we are seeing.</p>
<p>Did OP say he worked hard? Many kids are naturally smart and get good grades and stats without putting in an inordinate amount of effort.</p>
<p>OP may in fact have worked hard, but he didn’t work smart. He should have achieved either nationally/world-ranked EC, or Division 1 athletic status. Then he would have had a real shot at getting in.</p>
<p>the so-called firestorm happened because instead of simply mourning the loss of the dream school(s), s/he went on to BLAME other people for his loss (the standard the-black-kid-stole-my-spot bull). THAT’S what folks are rightfully putting him in check for. </p>
<p>it’s really sad that a 17/18 year old high school senior in 2011 is playing this particular race card. if i were his parent, i’d feel that i’d failed in my parenting mission.</p>
<p>this kid–if in fact this even WAS a kid–simply needs to move the eff on…</p>
<p>How did the Jews prove it?
Perhaps it is harder to prove now since the admissions standards have changed. More holistic.</p>
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<p>Why is it sad when it is true that all schools have AA in admissions? If his parents didn’t teach him the race card, he knows it by now, especially reading all these negative posts here by biased whites who are probably slinging it hard here because their own kids have been challenged by Asian classmates for the top spots in HS. It’s payback time for the parents. I feel sorry for the OP who’s bearing the brunt of these pent-up anger.</p>
<p>Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the OP dismiss claims that he was posting this topic to generate an AA discussion? And while the topic title and message may hint at injustice, he never made any anecdotal comparison to a URM who was accepted at similar schools. </p>
<p>And Bay, it’s unfair to label any non-Division 1/world-ranked-EC holder as simply a gear grinder. Many of us (myself included) DO work smart but aren’t able to achieve such levels because of the competition (well, I qualified for the US physics/chemistry olympiad, but I wouldn’t consider that national ranked).</p>
<p>the space WASN’T ‘his’ to get stolen! any more than it would’ve been mine, or yours or anyone else’s… that he obviously felt that it was ‘his’, and that a black person ‘stole’ it (and that that person didn’t work as hard simply by virtue of being black) from him, is a sad testament.</p>
<p>Cal Poly San Luis Obispo is 6 in “Regional University - West” rankings, and top 5 in several engineering majors among universities that grant up to master’s degrees (not doctorates). It is well known as the best CSU (some others have much higher percentage Asian student enrollment), and widely considered to be better for many students than some or most UCs (including UCI).</p>
<p>CSU Monterey Bay does not seem to be on USNWR’s ranking radar at all.</p>
<p>Would you mind pointing out exactly in which posts the OP has used the word “stolen”, or the word “black”, or suggested that any other person took his “spot”?</p>
<p>One of us can’t read very well.</p>
<p>And, speaking of reading, the very first post makes it clear that the OP and all of the friends are males, so we cease and desist with the gender neutral terms.</p>
<p>EDIT: I did your work for you, calimami. I scrolled through the entire thread and read all of the posts by the OP (just a handful, you can do it too), and nowhere does he use any of the terms, or make any of the claims you impute to him.</p>
<p>So what you’re saying, Bay, is that if you aren’t D1 football player or an IMO gold medalist, you haven’t worked smart in high school? Come on, now.</p>
<p>And I don’t recall saying anything about Ivy admissions. Please quote me. All I said is that being D1/nationally ranked is something that very few of us have and that smart workers don’t necessarily have D1/IMO. And for what it’s worth, Ivies cannot fill a class with the people whom you consider smart workers.</p>
<p>I’m astonished (my moniker holds true again) by the vehemence of the adults chiding the OP for being disappointed. </p>
<p>Has none of you ever felt grief after you (or your child) were rejected from top choices? (Schools? Scholarships? Jobs? Promotions? Lead in the play? Prom date? Dream house?) </p>
<p>It’s human nature to rank your dreams. In this case, it’s likely these young men are the unfortunate product of families, communities, and - YES! - this very forum nudging them into this goofball Ivy-or-Bust rat race. Our blame is misplaced by ganging up on this kid.</p>
<p>Yes, of course the OP will recover…and thrive. In the meantime, can we spare a drop (dollop, smidge) of human compassion? </p>
<p>Considering race without also considering one’s socioeconomic status is a horrible solution that just fuels more resentment about a rigged system.</p>
<p>I would like to see, as a matter of civil disobedience, a year where every applicant were to simply check the AA box. What would the colleges do? How could they prove that one great grandparent hadn’t qualified? Would they send the 85-90% of the students with light skin home after the first day of class?</p>
<p>Most here are well-educated and the emotions are natural. Don’t feel bad when we retire to bed tonight. Jews have overcome discrimination, so should Asians. Maybe a little harder due to their color. America will be a better place in the future, as it is now than 60 years ago.</p>
<p>Actually when the whole “possibility of universities trying to limit enrollment of Asian students” thing came up years ago in the context of UC, the percentage of “decline to state” students jumped by a lot. Not hard to guess why that would be…</p>