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<p>I totally disagree with this statement, as I said in my post above, #427. The so-called “lower Ivies” are REALLY hard to get into. They denied thousands of students, the vast majority highly qualified. I wish you would stop insulting every school that isn’t Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and MIT.</p>
<p>Jym626, thank you for suggesting to read Patash Ghosh’s contribution in “Asian-Americans in the Ivy League: A Portrait of Privilege and Discrimination”</p>
<p>Perhaps we should. as the author exhorted us to do, “Consider what happened in California …” What are the lessons to learned from the decisions made by the UC in the past decades? </p>
<p>Even we could look beyond the fact that there is hardly ANY comparison possible between the UC system and the Ivy League, as they could not have a more different raison d’</p>
<p>HYPSM, or as POIH likes to call it “HMSPY”. Like it really matters? :rolleyes:</p>
<p>As PG said, this slicing and dicing of the top schools is ridiculous. The ivys are the ivys. The top schools are the top schools. This artificial distinction (that no one other than POIH made, that I can find) that they are talking about getting shut out of HYPSM and none of the other ivys is not to be found here. For good reason. Its absurd.</p>
<p>On a separate topic, Does anyone know where the Yale professor a.k.a. tiger mom’s daugher got in? With two parents at Yale, I dont see how she can be rejected at Yale but just wondering.</p>
<p>OP needed to vent, he did. He worked very hard in school but ASSUMED this was all that was required to get into a certain type of school. He thought wrong. Big deal, he is a kid. He and his friends will go on to other very prestigious schools that are more interested in what they have to offer. With their work ethic, they should be very successful.</p>
<p>OP is ONLY willing to compare test scores and it HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED that beyond a certain threshold test scores and GPA don’t matter at these colleges. 2200? probably more like 2100. All the colleges need to know is if you are capable of doing the work. So OP has established that he and his friends are capable of doing the work. Since he gives no other information other than they are all Asians (and someone won an award–for what?) he is not here looking for answers.</p>
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<p>POIH–OP did not give you enough information to assess whether or not he had a strong shot at getting accepted there.</p>
<p>I can’t tell the difference in the quality of education in the top 20 at all. But, what I can say about the elite schools, and why it hurts if you do not gain admission, is that it is the people around you that built up all of those false expectations. As a parent, I was on a full-time mission to counter those false expectations with admission statistics. Expecting to get into a top school is crazy. Pray, sure. Expect . . . you gotta be kidding.</p>
<p>OP did get into UChicago, which is currently ranked ahead of Brown and Cornell (for anyone who cares).</p>
<p>Dear 20more…
Yes, being Asian is a negative in the admissions process. I am the (white) parent of a half Asian son with a very Asian name. His stats were the same, and NMS money award, and Presidential Scholar semifinal, and national level debating awards, and national leadership awards…okay, and violin and “kung foo” 
Rejected HYPS. I know moms of white boys with similar problems, and worse.
You should change your name to “Tonto” and write an essay about how your gender confusion helped you to excel in your DNA research project…no kidding.
But, what you should say to HYPS in the words of Confucius “Yuck Fou”
If you can’t join 'em, beat 'em.</p>
<p>texaspg:
From Sophia Chua-Rubenfeld’s blog:
<a href=“http://tigersophia.blogspot.com/[/url]”>http://tigersophia.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>Thanks. I am happy to see she keeps her humor.</p>
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<p>I think a lot of schools have kids that on paper are similar to this profile. I’m not saying it isn’t impressive–obviously this child is going on to do great things. It’s just how many of the 'same type" of kid can they take? How can you learn about the world from a class full of kids just like you?</p>
<p>I have been shocked, just shocked, about how low the “lower Ivys” acceptance rates are this year. Columbia (at 6.9% had a lower acceptance rate than Yale at 7.4%, only to be beaten by Harvard at 6.2%), Brown (8.7%), Dartmouth (9.7%), Penn (12.3%), Cornell (18%), for example. </p>
<p>Assume that each kid applied to HYP, that would leave 8-10 applications to the other Ivys. If those other applications were to Columbia, Brown and Dartmouth, the chances that those applications being successful aren’t particularly good. Those acceptance rates are basically Harvard acceptance rates of even a few years ago.</p>
<p>Maybe an application to Penn or Cornell would have met with success…but at least at our school, kids who apply to Ivys apply mostly to HYP, Columbia, maybe Brown, sometimes Dartmouth. </p>
<p>Jym is right–we don’t know which of the lower Ivys these kids applied to. But with single digit acceptance rates at Brown, Columbia and Dartmouth this year, POIH’s contention that these kids should have been a lock at these “lower Ivy” schools this year just doesn’t hold water.</p>
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<p>Exactly. Which is why I said about 20 pages back, and will say again:</p>
<p>Therefore, one of two things happened:</p>
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<li> All adults in the OP’s life passed along to him wrong/insufficient information about college admissions to extremely selective schools. Which means that the full combination of said adults were unprofessional (if they work in the field of education, in any aspect) and, for the possible group of relatives, friends, and other non-professionals in the field of education – were innocently under-informed or deliberately deceptive.</li>
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<li> Some, or all, of the adults in the OP’s life did offer realistic information about the impossibility of predicting acceptances to these schools, and the OP, for whatever reason, chose to ignore that information (or never sought adult direction relative to his and his classmates’ efforts).</li>
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<p>re #450.</p>
<p>Cute girl. DS doesn’t watch TV either. Lives in a TV free share-housing. Although his GP gave him a micro-TV last month. </p>
<p>She could make my possible list, but I gotta read her mom’s book first. Unfortunately, I don’t have the desire.</p>
<p>I am on the phone with a neighbor whose dau (class president) of our local HS (the number 1 HS in the state) is going to either a state U or small U across the country. The only kids, according to the mother, who got into the Ivys, were Asian.</p>
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<p>If it were possible, attending both schools at the same time would represent the ultimate dream for Mommy Dearest.</p>
<p>PS I know the girl did *not *say she is considering attending both!</p>
<p>Dear 20more…
Yes, being Asian is a negative in the admissions process. I am the (white) parent of a half Asian son with a very Asian name. His stats were the same, and NMS money award, and Presidential Scholar semifinal, and national level debating awards, and national leadership awards…okay, and violin and “kung foo” "</p>
<p>Why, do you think your son should have been a lock or something? </p>
<p>Why would any parent ever think his or her kid was a lock to any selective school? There’s an arrogance about that I find off-putting. Your son was a viable candidate. That’s all.</p>
<p>Epiphany – AND 3) the people in the OPs life that have screwed with his mind such that he thinks he shouldn’t be over the moon thrilled with six outstanding acceptances because they aren’t ivy – should be ashamed of themselves.</p>
<p>I like the commercial where the daughter is screaming with her mom that she got into one the most exclusive colleges in the country. The poor dad hears “one of the most expensive colleges in the country”. Last I checked, they are ALL expensive.</p>
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<p>I think this is true–but that doesn’t mean that we won’t give him some! ;)</p>
<p>I think that most parents and kids know IN THEORY that HYPSM are extremely hard to get into. But there is always some magical thinking that goes on that believes that your case is different, that your application has passed some magical threshold that will lead to acceptance. </p>
<p>And nothing like that first ED/EA rejection (not even a deferred to RD round result) to slap you upside your head and bring home how difficult it really is. (Yup, personal experience…)</p>