<p>It doesn't matter if he is Black or not. He does not share or seem to understand the plight of his fellow African Americans. He is against AA, which is funny because it was partly because of AA that he even got to where he is now</p>
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You seem to suggest that black and Hispanic populations in our country have a skills deficit that self-selected immigrants from Africa, Asia, and the Caribbean do not have.
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<p>O RLY? I don't see where that's implied. It's more of a "drive-deficit" than a skills deficit. You can't compare the most driven people of one group (and yes, immigrants are the most driven in terms of education because they took the initiative to seek more opportunities...immigrants have a clear purpose for coming here and they typically choose not to dawdle) to the most driven + slightly driven + not driven people that comprise the native population. The solitary most driven group will win out, in every case.</p>
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Ending racial preferences would be a good way to reduce this deficit. Its use today gives under-represented minorities the incentive to attend universities where they may or may not be fits. Before Proposition 209, under-represented minority graduation rates were terrible at the UC schools. Afterward, the rates kept increasing and eventually became comparable to white graduation rates. By comparison, Michigan, a public university that prior to November 2006 aggressively practiced racial preference, had noticeably disparate graduation rates for its white and under-represented students.
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<p>Oh yay, the age old "minorities are clearly under-qualified for Prestigious U. because of reported low graduation rates." Yes, I realize that is not what you said, but it's was definitely implied. Minority students have low graduation rates for a variety of reasons, not necessarily because they are "under-qualified." Please read the article about "Stereotype Threat" written by Claude Steele. Learning is fun.</p>
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The immigrants who come here from Africa, Asia, and the Caribbean do not all have their countries equivalent of an Ivy League education. My father, for example, did not graduate from either of his native countrys two best universities. In fact, to get to this continent, he had to beat students from those universities.
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<p>Again, this is an issue of drive, not skills.</p>
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If the problem with human capital, then we should strive to increase the number of Americans studying at the postsecondary level.
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<p>Unfortunately that's a very complex problem that will definitely not be solved in the immediate future.</p>
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The goal we need more URMs in the elites is misplaced.
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<p>Again, considering that the biggest beneficiaries of AA are white women, I'm not sure that that is AA's immediate goal.</p>
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Keep in mind that Thomas is black. Clearly, then, he's not racist against blacks, and it's stupid and ignorant to attack people as racists for saying the same things that he's saying.
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<p>You can be black and hate other blacks. I'm not saying that this applies to him, but it's not that uncommon. Ever heard of internalized self-hatred?</p>
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<p>ahh, i see a strange resemblance of the entire "if you black you can say the n word" concept. i guess trackbabi and stopthemusic believe that "you can only criticize AA if you are black, otherwise you are racist"</p>
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You can be black and hate other blacks. I'm not saying that this applies to him, but it's not that uncommon. Ever heard of internalized self-hatred?
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<p>oh, and stopthemusic busts out the big secret! justice thomas hates his own race!!! (oh, and it's not that uncommon!!!)</p>
<p>Wait, firefox? I forgot you were still posting.</p>
<p>Oh, and LOL. Your reading comprehension skills are embarrassing. Seriously, if you're going to troll, be a little more convincing. Even trolls know how to utilize evidence to support their "arguments."</p>
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<p>i find it quite hilarious that trackbabi's idea of intellectual debate consists of "YOU ARE RACIST" or "YOU ARE IGNORANT" or "YOU ARE BLACK BUT YOU HATE BLACKS" or "YOU ARE JEALOUS THAT I GO TO CORNELL"</p>
<p>and stopthemusic fails to see the sarcasm... tsk tsk tsk. it's bold and underlined, for pete's sake</p>
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I repeat you are very, very ignorant medha, very. And firefox, don't be jealous that I go to Cornell!
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<p>You know to be honest, it looks like you are the person who has a superiority complex because you go to Cornell. You stated that and the fact that you got accepted into Rice etc several time already. You keep bringing that up for no reason, do you feel you're better than us because you go to an Ivy League school?</p>
<p>trackbabi can't explain why I'm ignorant. Hahaha, good call firefox, troll bait if anything!</p>
<p>stopthemusic, it's funny you're making fun on firefox's reading comprehension skills when yours' sucks. I've pointed it out atleast 5 times now, you still can't understand basic statements.</p>
<p>It's amazing that all your Pro-AA crowd has is "You are very ignorant medha" nothing else.</p>
<p>i personally think this thread should be highlighted on CC's home page cause it's hilarious!!</p>
<p>oh wait, it is</p>
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and stopthemusic fails to see the sarcasm... tsk tsk tsk. it's bold and underlined, for pete's sake
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<p>Ineffective sarcasm isn't worth noting. And your reading comprehension skills are still embarrassing.</p>
<p>Ok 6th time now.</p>
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stopthemusic, it's funny you're making fun on firefox's reading comprehension skills when yours' sucks. I've pointed it out atleast 5 times now, you still can't understand basic statements.</p>
<p>It's amazing that all your Pro-AA crowd has is "You are very ignorant medha" nothing else.
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<p>Huh? Who are you? And what exactly did you point out?</p>
<p>7th time. Woo hoo!!!</p>
<p>I'm calling it a day for the same reasons I outlined in many of my posts. We're not changing anyone's minds</p>
<p>7th time? Is that your best response? If you're so confident, please enlighten me and answer my question. I haven't even read/responded to any of your posts, so I'm not sure how I could have referred to you as ignorant.</p>
<p>And calling it a day without answering my question is a punk move. You lose. Better luck next time.</p>
<p>Affirmative action is racism. </p>
<p>Schools should set criterion that all students must meet to be admitted. Thats how it should be.</p>
<p>To people who are against affirmative action: Do you recognize the fact that there are incredible inequalities in educational opportunities? Just curious, because that IS a fact. If you're against AA, then what's your solution?</p>
<p>I don't like the idea of AA, but I definitely know that people don't start out with the same footing and something needs to be done about it or we'll be moving backwards.</p>
<p>Do I have to spell it out for you people?</p>
<p>The world (including America) is not a pretty place. There are winners, and there are losers. There are rich, and there are poor. There are smart and there are dumb. People of all races, genders, morals, etc are in the aforementioned groups. We can't go around with the assumption that everyone should be given an equal opportunity. Those who deserve this opportunity and work hard will have it. The solution is not AA,</p>
<p>Affirmative action is racism.</p>
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The world (including America) is not a pretty place. There are winners, and there are losers. There are rich, and there are poor. There are smart and there are dumb. People of all races, genders, morals, etc are in the aforementioned groups. We can't go around with the assumption that everyone should be given an equal opportunity. Those who deserve this opportunity and work hard will have it.
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<p>AHAHAHAHAHA!!! I don't even feel the need to touch this one. A+ comment, would LOL again.</p>
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<p>I realize this post was in response to a different statement and topic, but it is NOT true. I am certainly one of the most liberal people on this forum, and I am against most affirmative action.</p>
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<p>Honestly, if you're motivated enough to even apply to a top college, you were hardly crippled by your environment. Of course, affirmative action can only help those who actually apply. AA is faulty in that it only helps the most privileged among URMs, instead of those that really need help. A good solution would be to increase government funding to general programs for underprivileged students of any race before the college level when they can be more easily influenced.</p>
<p>Um I've said this again and will say it again. Socio-Economic Affirmative Action. I don't agree with the "Social Darwinism" attitude exactly (atleast not for 18 year olds). I fully agree with proletariat's post (love the username btw)</p>
<p>I HATE that the Democrats stereotype all hispanics and african americans for not having opportunities and attempt to provide "equal results".</p>
<p>These articles may be interesting (I don't know if they automatically link, but copy and paste if they don't):</p>