<p>And where Asians and Whites are presumed to be filthy rich triple legacy and have received everything in life on a silver platter and look down upon minorities. Yep!</p>
<p>Man, this country is going backwards so fast it's not funny...</p>
<p>Striking down integration in the name of Brown? You've gotta be kidding me. Stupid Anthony Kennedy</p>
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it also perturbs me to see first or second generation Asian-Americans on this board, most of whom have had every opportunity available to them, arguing against affirmative action. many of them think that because their parents were able to make it in this country without any assistance, that other minorities should be able to pull themselves up by the bootstraps, too. But those statements are completely ignorant, since they aren't taking into account the history of racism in this country and the legacy left by slavery on black culture. I would suggest taking a class on American cities in the 20th century. Learn about white flight, federal housing policies and institutionalized racism before you talk about people being lazy or not wanting to rise above themselves.
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<p>I am against the current manifestation of affirmative action because as research by Espenshade and Chung shows, Asians are hurt by racial preferences.</p>
<p>My parents were able to make it in this country with great assistance. The first Civil Rights Movement made it possible for my parents to live in a society that was free of imposed segregation. A state university funded my father’s postgraduate education. This same university made it possible for us to live in subsidized university housing. Another state’s scholarship program made it possible for my mother to graduate from a technical college. Needless to say, my parents benefited greatly from our country’s abundant opportunities.</p>
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Man, this country is going backwards so fast it's not funny...</p>
<p>Striking down integration in the name of Brown? You've gotta be kidding me. Stupid Anthony Kennedy
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<p>Your post demonstrates that you have not read even a summary of Justice Kennedy’s concurring opinion. Instead of vilifying the moderate justice, you should thank him for stating that racial diversity, depending on its definition, can still be a valid goal for school districts.</p>
<p>I cannot state with certainty, but I strongly believe that Justice Kennedy agrees with me that the “diversity” that is preached by many a racial preference defender does not constitute real diversity.</p>
<p>Even so, the two rulings did not “strike down integration.” They strengthened Brown by noting that students can’t be denied entrance to schools based on their race.</p>
<p>To be clear I don't have a problem with the philosophical principle behind Brown, just the way that principle was implemented into people's lives.</p>
<p>lilybbloom was right, medha you really do need to read up on some history. In fact you need to start living in the real world.</p>
<p>"lilybbloom, Slavery has been illegal for more than a century, African Americans have achieved civil rights decades ago."</p>
<p>That is the most naive statement I have heard in a long time. Wait, no, firefox was worse, never mind, but it was up there. Congrats. :)</p>
<p>How exactly is that naive?</p>
<p>There are no legal barriers for African Americans and Hispanics to go ahead in life. Going back to your arguments about culture, so should Indians be restricted only towards a career in Medicine because our culture values doctors? No Indians have proliferated into Business, Law, Politics, Engineering. Saying that culture restricts someone is such a lame argument. There are several African Americans and Hispanics who have risen above what you call their "culture"</p>
<p>Many other ethnic groups faced similar issues. There's no reason to make broad generalisations and spoon feed everyone.</p>
<p>Your comments previously on this thread showed exactly the kind of mindset you possess. </p>
<p>You are probably the most narrowminded person I have come across in a long time. Wait, no, lilybbloom was worse, never mind, but it was up there. Congrats. :)</p>
<p>medha, TrackBabi17 reads your posts but don't register. they kinda just fly out of her head. nothing stays. you are wasting your energy by arguing with her---she just labels you racist and naive...</p>
<p>I love reading AA posts, because idiotic CC kids are always complaining about TEH DUMB BLKS AND MEXICANS. And of course, CC kids are so knowledgeable about what makes a "qualified" student. Riiiight.</p>
<p>Blacks and Hispanics aren't even the biggest beneficiaries of AA---white women are, according to the United States Labor Department. But I suppose blaming "that black/Hispanic kid over there" is the easiest way for delusional CC kids to deal with their own shortcomings.</p>
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it also perturbs me to see first or second generation Asian-Americans on this board, most of whom have had every opportunity available to them, arguing against affirmative action.
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I don't know who made this comment (too lazy to look back), but I too find the whole "WELL TEH AZNS AR GR8" argument against affirmative action highly amusing. In fact, once you've used that argument, you've already lost. Unlike the black and Hispanic populations in this country, the Asian immigrants to this country have been highly self-selected and are thus not a valid basis for comparison. It's the same explanation behind why black African immigrants regularly outperform black Americans.</p>
<p>^^ wisdom from someone who watches spongebob for fun?</p>
<p>^^ Spongebob is one of the highest rated shows on cable television, so clearly I'm not alone on that one.</p>
<p>^^ ratings cast by half year olds?</p>
<p>^^ Ratings as in Nielsen numbers. Congratulations on not figuring that out.</p>
<p>^^ which, are caused by half year olds watching?</p>
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Unlike the black and Hispanic populations in this country, the Asian immigrants to this country have been highly self-selected and are thus not a valid basis for comparison. It's the same explanation behind why black African immigrants regularly outperform black Americans.
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<p>You seem to suggest that black and Hispanic populations in our country have a skills deficit that self-selected immigrants from Africa, Asia, and the Caribbean do not have.</p>
<p>Ending racial preferences would be a good way to reduce this deficit. Its use today gives under-represented minorities the incentive to attend universities where they may or may not be fits. Before Proposition 209, under-represented minority graduation rates were terrible at the UC schools. Afterward, the rates kept increasing and eventually became comparable to white graduation rates. By comparison, Michigan, a public university that prior to November 2006 aggressively practiced racial preference, had noticeably disparate graduation rates for its white and under-represented students.</p>
<p>The immigrants who come here from Africa, Asia, and the Caribbean do not all have their countries equivalent of an Ivy League education. My father, for example, did not graduate from either of his native countrys two best universities. In fact, to get to this continent, he had to beat students from those universities.</p>
<p>If the problem with human capital, then we should strive to increase the number of Americans studying at the postsecondary level. The goal we need more URMs in the elites is misplaced.</p>
<p>^^ I'm sure you're aware that millions of teens/adults watch Spongebob. But if that's the best you can come up with, by all means, continue.</p>
<p>Wow. Just Wow. However, Dooley must have seen this coming.</p>
<p>^^ wouldn't you say that what i came up with was enough said? </p>
<p>want some cookies? do you have teeth yet?</p>
<p>Watch us all get banned!</p>
<p>For anyone who'd like to read the actual opinions of the case, go here:</p>
<p>Justice Clarence Thomas' concurring opinion is particularly poignant. Here are some selections:</p>
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...the dissent would give school boards a free hand to make decisions on the basis of race—an approach reminiscent of that advocated by the segregationists in Brown v. Board of Education. This approach is just as wrong today as it was a half-century ago.
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Racial imbalance is not segregation...
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The Constitution abhors classifications based on race, not only because those classifications can harm favored races or are based on illegitimate motives, but also because every time the government places citizens on racial registers and makes race relevant to the provision of burdens or benefits, it demeans us all.
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...neither plan serves a genuinely compelling state interest.
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As these programs demonstrate, every time the government uses racial criteria to “bring the races together,” ...someone gets excluded, and the person excluded suffers an injury solely because of his or her race. The petitioner in the Louisville case received a letter from the school board informing her that her kindergartener would not be allowed to attend the school of petitioner’s choosing because of the child’s race.
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This type of exclusion, solely on the basis of race, is precisely the sort of government action that pits the races against one another, exacerbates racial tension, and “provoke[s] resentment among those who believe that they have been wronged by the government’s use of race.”
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“*n study after study, racial composition of a student body, when isolated, proves to be an insignificant determinant of student achievement.” Brief for Dr. John Murphy et al. as Amici Curiae in No. 05–908, p. 8; see also id., at 9 (“[T]here is no evidence that diversity in the K–12 class-room positively affects student achievement”).
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Add to the inconclusive social science the fact of black achievement in “racially isolated” environments.
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There is also evidence that black students attending historically black colleges achieve better academic results than those attending predominantly white colleges.
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Furthermore, it is unclear whether increased interracial contact improves racial attitudes and relations.
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Some studies have even found that a deterioration in racial attitudes seems to result from racial mixing in schools.
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But I am quite comfortable in the company I keep. My view of the Constitution is Justice Harlan’s view in Plessy: “Our Constitution is color-blind, and neither knows nor tolerates classes among citizens.”
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Like the dissent, the segregationists repeatedly cautioned the Court to consider practicalities and not to embrace too theoretical a view of the Fourteenth Amendment. And just as the dissent argues that the need for these pro-grams will lessen over time, the segregationists claimed that reliance on segregation was lessening and might eventually end. What was wrong in 1954 cannot be right today.
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<p>And the best one yet:</p>
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If our history has taught us anything, it has taught us to beware of elites bearing racial theories.
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<p>Keep in mind that Thomas is black. Clearly, then, he's not racist against blacks, and it's stupid and ignorant to attack people as racists for saying the same things that he's saying.</p>