Swarthmore Econ/Philosophy

<p>I was wondering, how do Swarthmore's economics and philosophy programs compare with UChicago? I'm planning on double majoring in both unless the workload proves impossible (I might have to switch to public policy). I know Chicago has an awesome economics program, but how great is Swarthmore's? Also, I haven't been able to find much information on either Swarthmore or Chicago's programs in philosophy. I'm almost definitely going to go to graduate school for public policy, economics, philosophy, or law if that helps.</p>

<p>Thanks for any advice/info!</p>

<p>Both Chicago and Swarthmore have excellent economics departments. Economics is one of Swarthmore's three most popular majors, along with political science and bio. Swat is the number one producer of PhDs in the country (per 1000 graduates) in Economics, in Political Science, and in Social Sciences overall. </p>

<p>Here's the data for Econ PhDs for the most recent period. Of course, PhDs in Economics are going to most accurately represent academic economists: professors, think-tankers, etc. as opposed to MBA investment banker types. Both Chicago and Swat have notably strong inclinations towards the academic side of things. I wouldn't view this data as a measure of "quality" per se. To be one of the top schools in PhD production requires two things: a school where a lot of students get PhDs, and a department with a fair bit of interest at relative to other departments at that school. For the most part, the geekier schools tend to dominate these lists, where more pre-professional schools (like a Northwestern) don't show up, even though they may also have strong departments:</p>

<p>Number of PhDs per 1000 grads </p>

<p>1 Swarthmore College 16
2 Grinnell College 7
3 Williams College 7
4 Carleton College 7
5 Harvard University 6
6 Agnes Scott College 6
7 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 5
8 University of Chicago 5
9 Yale University 5
10 California Institute of Technology 5
11 Princeton University 5
12 Macalester College 5
13 Stanford University 4
14 Pomona College 4
15 Oberlin College 4
16 Wellesley College 4
17 Trinity University 4
18 Bowdoin College 3
19 Earlham College 3
20 Berea College 3
21 Amherst College 3
22 Wabash College 3
23 Bard College 3
24 Rocky Mountain College 3
25 Coe College 3
26 Wesleyan University 3
27 College of William and Mary 3
28 Colby College 3
29 Columbia University in the City of New York 3
30 Hillsdale College 3
31 Franklin and Marshall College 3</p>

<p>As far as I can tell, every student who has ever taken Philosophy at Swarthmore has loved it. One of the Philosophy professors, Shuldenfrei, appears to be one of Swarthmore's most beloved professors. He's featured in the admissions DVD.</p>

<p>The NSF data does not provide PhD data strictly for Philosophy. However, as far as I can tell, Philosophy is about the only thing that could be including in their "Other Humanities" category. Again, both Chicago and Swat are near the top of the list, nationally -- as you would expect from two schools catering to academic types:</p>

<p>PhDs per 1000 grads </p>

<p>Academic field: Other humanities </p>

<p>PhDs and Doctoral Degrees: ten years (1994 to 2003) from NSF database<br>
Number of Undergraduates: ten years (1989 to 1998) from IPEDS database<br>
Formula: Total PhDs divided by Total Grads, multiplied by 1000 </p>

<p>Note: Does not include colleges with less than 1000 graduates over the ten year period </p>

<p>1 St John's College (both campus) 18.3
2 Reed College 9.2
3 Swarthmore College 6.0
4 Carleton College 5.5
5 Haverford College 5.4
6 Hampshire College 5.1
7 Williams College 4.9
8 Bryn Mawr College 4.9
9 Yale University 4.6
10 Amherst College 4.5
11 Vassar College 4.4
12 Pomona College 4.2
13 Wesleyan University 4.1
14 Princeton University 3.9
15 University of Chicago 3.7
16 University of Dallas 3.4
17 Oberlin College 3.3
18 Wellesley College 3.3
19 Harvard University 3.2
20 Whitman College 3.1
21 Rice University 3.1
22 Bennington College 3.0
23 Wheaton College (Wheaton, IL) 3.0
24 Bowdoin College 2.9
25 Antioch University, All Campuses 2.8
26 Columbia International University 2.8
27 University of the South 2.7
28 Principia College 2.6
29 Stanford University 2.6</p>

<p>Econ is generally (from what I understand) considered a fairly easy department (apart from Micro) but still <em>very</em> popular. I haven't really loved the two courses I've taken in Econ (Stat for Econ, Intro Econ) but they aren't billed as the best the dept. has to offer. </p>

<p>Philosophy has many fewer students and the professors are a bit idiosyncratic. I'm not planning to major, but I have (am) really enjoyed my two classes in the department (FYS: Ancient and Modern Phil Thought with Schuld. and Existentialism with Lorraine).</p>

<p>Stat for Econ. Intro Econ. Those are two courses that their own mothers' couldn't love!</p>

<p>Grad06 - I majored in Philosophy and Honors Minored in Econ at Swarthmore (class of '03) and I thought both programs were great. I don't know enough to compare Swat's programs to Chicago's (aside from that Chicago's economics program probably involves more Chicago School economics), so I'd instead like to note that any differences that might exist should be a relatively small factor in your choice. Chicago is a research university with 4500 undergraduates and 9100 graduate students on a quarter system in a cold city. Swarthmore is a (very liberal!) liberal-arts college with 1400 undergrads and 0 graduate students on a semester system in a temperate suburb. Chicago has a robust core curriculum: fulfilling its requirements will take up about 1/3 of all your classes. Swarthmore has no core curriculum, just a modest set of distribution requirements. Differences between particular departments are going to be trivial compared to these sorts of enormous differences between the schools.</p>

<p>JER Yes, Chicago will probably have 'more Chicago school of economics' but the department has many non Chicago school thinkers as well. The more relevant point is that the last time I looked Swat didn't have one U of C econ. graduate as an Economics faculty member. Perhaps, 20 plus Nobel prizes might warrant one faculty position from that school in a "cold city" at Swat.</p>

<p>wsox - all true. But from the perspective of the prospective undergraduate I still think these differences are of relatively little significance compared to the other factors I mentioned.</p>