Thank you @politeperson. Your advice is very helpful and greatly appreciated.
Thanks for all your input. So weâre looking more into her AI and it requires 2 subject test scores. D21 only has one subject test score. She was registered for 2 more but the CB cancelled that test date. Does that mean the ivies are also still requiring 2 subject tests in addition to an ACT/SAT score? Thatâs much to ask for during covid times and back to back test cancellations.
Two subject tests are not required, and havenât been for a long time. In lieu of those scores, the schools just double count the ACT or SAT, which then becomes 2/3 of the AI calculation.
Thank you @Mwfan1921
@smileymomma - I also have a daughter that is a recruit and in conversation with 3 Ivys and a couple other strong D1 schools and programs. On recent change is the NCAA extended their dead period from July 1st to July 31st and ârumorsâ it could get pushed farther - so no on campus visits, or offers and I believe no pre-reads - at least that is how we understand it.
@Mwfan1921 or others are more versed in this area and may correct my assumptions - but this is what we have been told. With this change, I believe it will assist with the athletes that donât have a final score in hand - giving them the July ACT and August SAT a chance to submit before the coaches in certain sports put their rosters/offers together.
It really depends on the sport if they will have their lists done - so donât give up yet! Crew and other sports that rely on body/strength changes as kids mature sign recruits usually early fall after official visits - and seems like all is up in the air now. Unsure about your daughterâs sport - I know soccer D1 locks up top recruits early.
My daughter completed her ACT in the Fall of junior year, but several kids in her sport are in the same position as your daughter. The coaches were very upfront with the score they needed to see and being a very goal oriented kid - that was what she needed to hear to put in the time. She was told by two coaches that they may have to make âhouse callsâ to key markets to meet recruits and set up calls with current team members IF they can not offer official visits. For us, the lack of official visits is the hard part - as school fit and team culture will be how she makes a decision (and if she gets an offer!).
Coaches have her transcript, class list for senior year, her PSAT and ACT score and official school profile for the 2020 class provided by the counselor (the profile at our school doesnât change much year to year) and asked her to forward the new profile when available. All the coaches know what other coaches she is talking too - what we donât know is who else are they talking too !!! Hopefully your daughter has/could provide all of this info including PSAT - minus her final SAT/ACT and it could give the coaches more confidence she will reach their threshold.
Only 1 Ivy coach said he still wants subject tests and it is a school my daughter does not feel she is the right fit for the school or team - so she passed.
I know it is hard and it is hard on the coaches too - as they want kids that will succeed at the school and within the program too.
Good luck 
@coffeeat3 Thank you so much for you incredibly helpful and thoughtful response.
Our daughter was also supposed to have on-campus visits and officials. We planned to do this over spring break, then the whole pandemic hit.
Instead- a couple of colleges did Zoom meets with D21, their current team members and other student athletes/potential recruits.
Itâs definitely not the same but you can get a sense of the team spirit and character. Nothing is like an overnight or full day visit though.
Thanks again for your input and advice.
Good luck to your daughter as well! ?
@smileymomma - you will really know how interested they are in recruiting her if they offer an official paid visit - if they can even do it this fall - as not sure if campuses that are open will let non-students come. Official visits for D1 can not occur until after July 31 and that date could move again.
My daughter had 5 D1 âunofficial visitsâ this winter/early spring where she toured the school, attended the big admission presentation, met with the coach and in 2 cases the coach had her attend a practice and meet the team. Another team (not Ivy) invited her to attend a basketball game while we were there and they are allowed by NCAA rules to provide a couple free tickets.
She eliminated 2 of those schools due to fit One Ivy of interest said his new policy is no unofficial visit (so we just toured campus and attended the presentation) until jr year is complete and test score is submitted. She had her score - but it was Feb of Jr year - so no junior year transcript⊠At that point (which will be after the dead period now) he will have âwalk throughâ with the Admission rep and would decide if he would offer an official. He did not use the term pre-read - but sounds like a pre-read. He is no longer meeting unofficially with recruits, as he said it takes too much time and he needs firm numbers plus athletic accomplishment and is trying it a new way.
Of course, all this continue to change. While my daughter seems like she is a competitive place - so much can change and we encourage her to have a back-up school list with no sports - as she is not open to compete in the D3 level (oh, teens!) While her stats put her in the range for all the schools she is speaking with - we know that without the sportâs bump - she would not gain admittance.
If your daughter has not registered with the NCAA - she should go ahead and put in what is available and pay the fee. One more data point to show coaches that she is getting everything organized.
Another piece that could play a role is if you are full pay or hoping to get need money - no athletic or merit money from Ivies and many D3 schools too. We know kids that have all the qualifications, but passed up due to needing $ and the coach takes a kid that is âalmostâ as strong on the field, but is full pay.
Thank you. My daughter already registered for NCAA and had went to a couple of official paid visits to non-Ivy Div1âs back in February.
The ivy schools didnât show strong interest until the end of February after D21 had garnered a couple of national and international awards in her sport. By March - our state became one of the worst hit with covid cases and was shut down thereby precluding official visit opps.
My D21 is like yours. Sheâs so gung ho and passionate about her sport and not even considering some great academic D3 schools just because their teams are âmediocreâ. Youâre right - itâs that âteenâ mentality thatâs so hard to mold.
Covid has also caused problems for college teams recruiting international athletes which may hopefully give domestic kids more opportunities/slots.
Iâm still confused with how FA plays into DIV1/ Ivy recruiting. Iâve heard mixed things. Is applying for FA a boon or a disadvantage in being recruited?
One ivy coach sent an email to her short list of recruits and asked them to fill out the FA online form. She said a pre-read request might come later onâŠ
@smileymomma wrote:
For the Ivies they only offer need based aid, according to how each school defines need (they all have different formulas). Run their net price calculators on their website for an estimate of your costs. (Note they may not be accurate if parents are divorced, own a business, or own real estate beyond a primary home.)
There is no merit aid for at Ivies for any students, nor any athletic scholarship money. Generally, many people believe it is an advantage in the Ivy recruiting process to not need FA.
Other DI schools have need based aid, and many also offer merit aid. Some proportion of the athletes receive athletic scholarships as well.
I am assuming your D plays an equivalency sport. In that case, the athletes split the pot of athletic money and most athletes receive a proportion of tuition as an athletic scholarship. There are very few full rides (tuition plus room and board) given in equivalency sports. Athletes can also get merit awards and need based aid, but it must be according to the same criteria as for other students.
Some schools will do FA pre-reads, so ask about that.
Thanks for the clarification @Mwfan1921
Your explanation is incredibly helpful.
Re: Ivy FAâ
I donât think itâs a disadvantage at all to need FA at the Ivies. That might be more the case at some D3s. In my experience coaches see the generous Ivy FA as a competitive advantage they have in recruiting. Most are happy to use it. My experience comes mostly from Track and Field but most athletes Iâve talked to in other sports had similar experiences. I suppose itâs possible there are coaches that just donât like the extra paperwork but I havenât heard that.
I agree you should run the NPCs to get a general idea. But most programs also can do a financial aid pre read when they do the admissions pre read. You can ask the coach about this. Itâs basically a full FA application and returns an estimate that is very accurate.
Keep in mind that most/all of the Ivies will match FA estimates from other schools in the conference. Some might want to see the âbetterâ estimate. Others will just ask which other Ivies have shown recruiting interest, and then run the formula/methodology of the school thatâll be best for the recruit. Since HYP are usually the most generous, itâs pretty common for Cornell, Columbia, etc. to give a Princeton (for example) FA package to a recruit. Cornell will match MIT and Duke also. The coaches will know about this and can guide recruits through it.
Athletes can get federal or state need based aid (like a pell grant) but if the need based aid is from the school, it counts against the team as if it were an athletic scholarship (so most coaches donât allow it).
Hi all
Sorry to hijack this thread. Like the OP my daughterâs SAT score was embarrassing low. Itâs enough as per the NCAA Div 1 sliding scale.
Her university doesnât require SAT scores at this time. Does she still need to send them to the NCAA Eligibility Centre if she is going to start January 2021? Itâs unclear to me. The NCAA website states they are not required for 2020/2021. Does this also mean Spring 2021???
Does anyone know if she send the scores to the NCAA Eligibility Centre will universities have access to that score?
Her university is not a Ivy League or top school like UT, UCLA,
Thanks!
@Junebug100 Iâd call the eligibility center to be sure. I donât see the downside of submitting but theyâll know for sure.
@smileymomma I had a child that was a strong D1 recruit athletically & academically, and ended up at a top Ivy
@politeperson Re. Ivy FA- is a good overview
I emailed the eligibility centre and just got a very thorough response. (Canât believe how quick they responded!)
They said that anyone graduating March - Dec 2020 may be eligible for the no SAT waver. They need to see her transcripts. So weâll get on to that!
I looked on the College Board website and she can always request that they send the scores and it looks like it shouldnât take much more than a week. And sheâll be requesting during a not so busy period.
To re-take the SAT means driving and staying in a hotel, etc. so Iâm happy about that.
Hey guys. So D21 has been receiving recruitment offers this week from DIV1 coaches. She has received offers from NU, UNC and a full ride from OSU. None of the ivy coaches who were once in constant communication with D21 have responded to her last emails. This is odd since they had always replied right away. All ivies but Princeton is now TO. Like you all had said - recruiting still abides by Ivy League standards which still requires test score submission from all student athletes. Problem is- most of the recruiting coaches want an answer from D21 ASAP since they have a list of other prospective recruits below her that theyâll reach out to if she is no longer interested. D doesnât want to take up the slots of other girls who might really want to attend these schools. However, she hasnât heard back from the 3 ivies and Duke who are all dependent on a solid (minimum 1400/1450 SAT) score which she doesnât have yet.
So we called AO of a couple of ivies whose teams sheâs interested in. They all reiterated that at this time they will follow the Ivy League athlete recruitment policy.
We called Ivy League headquarters for clarification and to inform them of our dilemma. The representative said there has been no changes. I just donât understand how they think student athletes are able to readily provide available and competitive test scores while the rest of the applicant pool are pardoned.
Any advice or insight is greatly appreciated.
@smileymomma this may have been covered but to confirm, the sport is T&F, correct? Congrats on a full ride offer and offers from NU & UNC!
Based on the offers it sounds like she is a well sought after athlete and will have a lot off choices, and would also be able to score points at Ivy meets. Test scores aside, for the Ivies, does she have the typical grades, class ranking, etc. for the Ivies or would she need support to get admitted? The Ivies only get so many slots/LLs.
Itâs been a few years but my recollection was that the Ivyâs were pushing a little more than the other schools as with LLs the Ivies would like you to apply ED/EA.
We did not have CC to draw advice from then, we were honest with coaches but we also played it a bit close to the vest and did not let anyone rush us. I told my child that if a coach was pushing they could put it on me and say we/I are very interested but my parents want to make sure we do not rush a decision, they may want to visit the school again, âŠ
As many have said on this board, in the end pick the school based on the best fit for your D and family. This is just me, but I would put the best fit, academic ranking and cost above the sports. Many college athletes have injuries and other college distractions and do not end up participating for 4-years.
Congratulations on the offers. It sounds like a difficult, and Iâm sure stressful, situation. I agree with @recruitparent to pick the best fit and cost combination above sports considerations. While I agree no one wants to be rushed, it is possible to lose offers if you canât commit in the time frame a given coach expects. From the coachesâ perspectives they are under time pressure to secure their Class of 2021 recruits.
I donât know what will happen with the NCAA DI rules, but right now all 2021 recruits require a test score per NCAA rulesâŠso the Ivy league rule is in sync with that. If we get thru Sept or Oct, and lots of students still havenât been able to take tests, then perhaps the NCAA will drop the standardized test requirement for 2021s, but even then the Ivy League still might not.
Is she signed up for an ACT or SAT at this point? How confident are you wrt hitting her target score?
I would try to get as much time as she can from the schools where offers are on the table, and continue to try to contact the Ivy coaches and Duke coach. Getting the timing to work out can be tricky for many recruits. Your D will have to spend some time carefully thinking through and prioritizing various attributes of the schools and opportunities.
Good luck.
@recruitparent thank you for your insight and advice stemming from your experience. No, the sport is fencing. Sheâs a straight A+ student with lots of APs and college leveled classes. Sheâs well-rounded winning several international music competitions and has been a student council officer all four years (just got elected president for senior yr). Our school doesnât rank but itâs a very competitive public school.
We advised D the same - to choose a school based on academics foremost and to see how she feels about it fit-wise. She thinks NU is too windy and cold (on her official visit the dorm she stayed at was freezing with no heat) and the atmosphere felt too competitive and stressful. OSU to her is too much of a party school and to her, not a good academic fit. Weâre from NY - so her ivy choices are close to home which we all love. Due to the pandemic, however, she didnât have a chance for officials at the ivies.
I value your pragmatic approach to choosing a college - like you said there might be unforeseen injuries and maybe other priorities which may distract her from her athletic pursuits.
I also like your response of showing continued interest while blaming the parents (who these days are always at fault). Lol.