<p>I don’t know what kind of world do you live in, but in my world, Berkeley, Stanford and MIT are more prestigious than Yale is. But then again, I’m a science guy. </p>
<p>Anyway, at those places, Berkeley is highly respected by my teachers, for example. When I was in high school, we use reference books that were written by Berkeley grads. I have relatives who went to a UC school and tell the whole family how amazing Berkeley is. At that time, I even haven’t heard of Yale. The only schools in those places that are better regarded than Berkeley are Harvard, Oxford, and to some extent, Cambridge. What did Yale accomplish that it would become more respected than Berkeley?</p>
Haha, you must be living in a very detached world then. Granted, Yale might not be the most prestigious school in the world but it’s undoubtedly a damn well-known school internationally. </p>
Your bias towards Berkeley is quite unbelievable. Stanford, MIT and Yale are all held in higher regard than Berkeley in those places - which has been repeatedly stressed by others on this thread. In any case, Cambridge is usually considered better than Oxford in this part of the world.</p>
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Firstly, prestige is determined by many non-academic factors. Academic factors aside, Yale might enjoy a greater prestige than Berkeley purely due to its media popularity (US presidents, Jodie Foster, Gossip Girls etc).
Secondly, Yale has enough achievements to show that its academic achievements are top-notch and certainly not inferior to Berkeley.</p>
<p>I know Yale is one of the top 8 best universities in the world, but do you expect all high school students in Singapore/Malaysia to have heard of Yale? You’ve got to be kidding me. I bet not even is it that well-known in Australia and NZ. Not all high schools in those countries have heard of Harvard, what more of Yale.</p>
<p>If we’re talking about undergrad here, then I would admit that Yale has got a slight edge here. But as a university --as a whole–, I believe they are equally prestigious with Yale having an edge in law and Berkeley in science, tech and engineering.</p>
LoL…
Do the media in Singapore, Malaysia and Taiwan really mention that Bush went to Yale? I don’t think so. And, and even if they do, I don’t think it was that highlighted. I don’t remember the media at those places ever emphasized that Bush went to Yale. The Singaporeans, Malaysians and Taiwanese don’t give a damn where he went to university. The people in those countries are smart enough to know that politics is apart from academics/academe. </p>
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Like what has Yale achieved in the recent past that it deserves more recognition than should be Berkeley?</p>
<p>^ Some respondents on this thread are exaggerating and are not giving the right information due to their biases to private schools (or their alma mater school.) Unfortunately, you are one of them. Or should I say, you’re the worse of them.</p>
<p>I’m not pimping Cal on here. But I feel Cal was severely underrated by people like you. You’ve got to stop that biases and deal with the present reality. There are facts available that would show how wrong you were, and I feel some CC members (and lurkers as well) need to know those facts, not just your biases and constant pimping of some private schools that are obviously not a top 10 b-school yet.</p>
<p>But let’s compare that to your warped view of the world in which the solar system revolves around Berkeley. It’s not only grossly out of touch with reality, frankly, its a little disturbing.</p>
<p>^ According to you, Yale SOM is superior to Berkeley-Haas. That started everything. And, worse, your proof was a ripoff from FT league table. (as if FT would that reliable a source.) If only you were extra careful, none of these would have erupted. You caused me to present the data that you now feel so sorry that you did? Anyways, Berkeley-Haas is just a top 10 business school. That’s what all I am saying here. It’s being a state-run institution does not have any bearing to your constant and ever-annoying biases against state universities. You’re trying to be an elitist standing on a weak ground. It doesn’t fit that you underrate Haas when you’re not even smart enough to get into the school. And, I feel terribly awful that I say this to you. I usually have respect for MBA grads. </p>
I know rankings aren’t everything, but US News (along with the other ranking you brought up) has **consistently **ranked Yale alot higher than Berkeley. And you know prestige whores look at these rankings damn seriously. </p>
<p>For law, medical school, some arts programs, you may want to go to Yale. For everything else, go to Berkeley.</p>
<p>In terms of international reputation, Berkeley > Yale. More world wide rankings put Berkeley ahead of Yale. Even though THES QS ranking, the most ridiculous ranking I have ever seen, puts Yale #2, Berkeley beats Yale in all 5 fields: natural science, life science, technology, social science, and humanities.</p>
<p>By the way, in my view, Yale will never be a top 3 business school. Yes, Never.</p>
<p>membership in national academy of science:
Berkeley (125) > Yale (58)</p>
<p>membership in national academy of engineering:
Berkeley (75) > Yale (7)</p>
<p>national medal of science winners:
Berkeley (24) > Yale (8)</p>
<p>In 2010 US-NEWS graduate school ranking,
Yale beats Berkeley in law school, medical school, and political science, and ties with Berkeley in history and economics, while Berkeley beats Yale in business school, education school, engineering school, psycology, sociology, English, math, physics, chemistry, biology, computer science, and earth science. Berkeley beats Yale 13 : 4.</p>
<p>By the way, looking at Yale’s historical record (objectively), I don’t see any sign that Yale will magically turn its business school into a top 3 program. After all, Yale has very few programs in top 3 anyway.</p>
<p>By the way, Yale’s #2 rank awarded by THES-QS is NOT deserved at all. THES ranking is ridiculous. How can the #2 Yale be swept by the #36 Berkeley in all the individual fields: life science, social science, technology, humanities, and natural science (ranked by THES itself)?</p>
<p>First of all, I’ve studied in Singapore. It was where I spent my high school days, so I guess I know what I speak off. Anyway, I never said that Yale is inferior to Berkeley for undergrad. I think Yale is slightly superior to Berkeley for undergrad. But as a whole, I believe they’re equally as prestigious, and are both slightly behind Harvard and Oxford, in the prestige area, globally.</p>
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You’re saying as if Harvard and Yale are about as prestigious. Of course, they’re not, in the international scene. Harvard is more prestigious than Yale. There are many people out there who haven’t heard of Yale but have heard of Harvard. </p>
<p>And, of course, the science, IT and engineering enthusiasts haven’t really heard of Yale. </p>
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Of course I am. Look at the PA scores of both schools -they are about the same. And these are the opinions of people who know better than we both do, for these are people who are very high places in the academic world. </p>
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You don’t need to refer to the general table all the time. There are sections of the league table where some of our questions can be answered. The general table includes criteria that are irrelevant to schools like Berkeley, such as International Faculty and International Students.</p>
<p>Relying on individual relative rankings seems especially wrong to me. Stanford has had the highest avg GMAT by at least 10 points on average over the last 14 years and yet it ranks #7 in analytical skills?</p>
<p>^If it isn’t correlated, then why are B-schools requiring them for admission and IBs, HFs and consulting firms requesting them in job interviews?</p>