<p>apple2pie9/ i’d be surprised if you actually did. you’d be one miserable student here with that attitude toward cornell</p>
<p>Apple2pie, are you really citing IvyGate as your proof that Cornell is a “safety ivy.” And I hate to break it to you, but people applying to HYP consider Duke a “safety” too</p>
<p>I’m sure Ithaca already makes the students at Cornell miserable enough.</p>
<p>haha and Durham does that for Duke. It’s not exactly something to write home about.</p>
<p>apple2pie9/ if you were so much concerned about location, you wouldn’t be applying to Duke. try NYU next time. cuz i can obviously see from your post that you will happiest in NYC than Durham or Ithaca.</p>
<p>At least it’s in a city.</p>
<p>Wow are we really having this argument?</p>
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<p>That’s the funny thing: Ithaca actually is a place to write home about.</p>
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<p>coolman/ no we are not. because he has become one heck of a comic relief here now arguing Durham’s superiority over Ithaca. this whole argument suddenly turned really stupid.</p>
<p>apple2pie is throwing everything at us because he/she knows that Duke is not better than Cornell, but he’s desperately trying to prove that it is.</p>
<p>I never said that Duke is better than Cornell. They are instituionally equal.</p>
<p>I DID argue that Duke’s student body is stronger than Cornell. You guys keep resorting to separating Cornell’s schools arguing that they look for “other characteristics”. I can understand the argument for the architecture school, but certainly you have no argument for why the test scores at the other schools are so much lower. </p>
<p>You persistently argue that they look for different things, please tell me what those things are. </p>
<p>I don’t go to Duke/Cornell. I don’t give a damn which one is better. I’m just trying to challenge your biased assertions.</p>
<p>we seperate those schools because those schools are “specialized” meaning they attract different kind of candidates with special interests. kids who were looking into Dartmouth, Brown, or Columbia wouldn’t suddenly look at Cornell and go, “oh, i’ll apply to Cornell hotel.” they would most likely apply to either CAS or Eng. so im giving the statistics for those two because more than likely, all the kids who were looking for prestigious colleges would be applying for either of those two, And i don’t do that for other colleges becaues most of them (including Duke) don’t have any “specialized” colleges to begin with.</p>
<p>Duke doesn’t have any such “specialized” colleges so we are comparing “general study” colleges from both. just like you wouldn’t compare juilliard and harvard against each other, im not into comparing hotel students with CAS students from Duke, just like Im not up for comparing UPenn Nursing against Brown or whatever.</p>
<p>Regardless of w/e “special” applicants they attract, these students are obviously weaker academically. That fact remains unchanged.</p>
<p>Your argument simply tells me WHY these students are weak.</p>
<p>I already said that I don’t care what happens before/during the application process. </p>
<p>The END result is that Cornell has a weaker student body.</p>
<p>Ok, take Human Ecology, for example. They have majors that are supposed to help the state of New York (which is why the state gives them money and why residents have reduced tuition). Basically, the majors in Human Ecology are not liberal arts majors. Instead, they are specialized and emphasize service (which is part of their public mission). So in the admissions process, unlike in Arts and Sciences, students are admitted based on what major they apply to and how well they fit that major. If you apply to the Human Development major, the admissions committee will want to see ECs that show you are good for that major (i.e. maybe working with children in a day care). This is basically a safe guard to make sure that people don’t use these colleges as back doors - if your ECs are working on presidential campaigns and volunteering for a women’s right group, good luck getting into the College of Human Ecology. Does that make sense? In a nutshell, your “fit” for your major is as important as your grades. And by the way, about 93% of students in Human Ecology were in the top 10% of their high school class, so the students aren’t a step below other colleges (grades and stuff are still important).</p>
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<p>Please let me know when you find any evidence of Duke educating or actively recruiting students who are interested in corn pathology, fiber chemistry, ornithology, food and beverage management, animal husbandry, horticultural arts, etymology, collective bargaining, landscape architecture, structural fabric design, anthropometrics, organizational behavior, or conservation ecology.</p>
<p>Then, if you are able to do so, please let me know how well SAT scores are a predictor of these student’s success at Duke, and whether or not the Duke admissions committee more heavily balances other, more meaningful factors into their decision.</p>
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<p>If the student body’s are equal in Arts and Science, how do you explain the med school admittance discrepancies I stated earlier, if the schools are equal as well? You have to admit those are significant numbers and unlike some of the test scores, admittance rate, and other stuff that we’ve already agreed is less useful, they are not negligilbe.</p>
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<p>Judged by what?</p>
<p>“more meaningful factors into their decision.”</p>
<p>What factors are you talking about? Geez… An essay on why I want to be a farmer? lmao! Grades and test scores still are the best indicator of college success.</p>
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<p>Perfectly reasonable argument. </p>
<p>Where you delude yourself is when you begin to think that because the statistical averages of Cornell CAS + Eng are compromised by these other colleges – that this somehow weakens the entire school in comparison to its peers.</p>
<p>Don’t be ridiculous.</p>
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<p>Quite frankly, yes. Many students at Cornell come from rural and/or agricultural backgrounds. Many come from family farms and hope to one day run a farm of their own. </p>
<p>And all the evidence points to the fact that Cornell educates the most qualified and diligent agricultural and animal s science students in the country. </p>
<p>That you are unable to appreciate these very simple facts is a fault of your own making, not of Cornell.</p>