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<p>The SAT midpoints that were posted earlier, apparently.</p>
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If the student body's are equal in Arts and Science, how do you explain the med school admittance discrepancies I stated earlier, if the schools are equal as well? You have to admit those are significant numbers and unlike some of the test scores, admittance rate, and other stuff that we've already agreed is less useful, they are not negligilbe.
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<p>if you are into that argument, i believe JHU has medical school admit % somehwere in mid 90-s and Caltech somehow had lower % than Duke and i think it was also lower than cornell (not sure but Caltech's medical school admit % was surprisingly low)</p>
<p>unless you want to argue JHU is ahead of Duke but Caltech is worse than Duke, stop arguing that point.</p>
<p>It's pathetic that apple2pie somehow thinks farmers don't deserve a great education. Should we not educate them just because they don't want to be doctors or businessmen? Cornell thinks we should....</p>
<p>"It's pathetic that apple2pie somehow thinks farmers don't deserve a great education"</p>
<p>WTH? I never said any of that. Ridiculous.</p>
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<p>Sure, but let's control for academic major and family income, why don't we?</p>
<p>Well JHU tells you the percent of people that get into medical school with a certain GPA (I believe 92% get in with a GPA of 3.2 or higher). Cornell doesn't break up the statistics like that, so a 75% acceptance rate includes all of the people with 2.6 GPAs that applied and hoped for the best (without any chance of actually making it). Again, Cornell supports every application to medical school, even if they know the student has no chance... This explains why the acceptance rate to med school is lower than some of its peers</p>
<p>The SAT midpoint that was posted earlier had 5 points difference seriously. unless you really want to go into that. (from collegehelp's <a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/526909-ranking-colleges-sat-scores.html?highlight=ranking+sat%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/526909-ranking-colleges-sat-scores.html?highlight=ranking+sat</a>)</p>
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<p>Dartmouth (only 1 college) 1450
Duke University (CAS, Eng) 1435
Cornell (CAS, Eng) 1430
University of Chicago 1425
University of Pennsylvania (CAS, Wharton, Eng, Nursing) 1425
Northwestern University 1410
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<p>and like somebody mentioned earlier, yes, UPenn's have all four colleges included. But if you want to eliminate Wharton and Nursing to make it just CAS and Eng, be my guest.</p>
<p>Cornell University's (Yes...the whole university) median SAT score for class of 2011 is 1395
Duke University's (Yes...the whole university) median SAT score for 2011 is 1440</p>
<p>According to Collegeboard</p>
<p>^ First of all, that's not a fair comparison. Secondly, it's actually not much of a difference - only a few questions on the entire SAT.</p>
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<p>unless you want to argue JHU is ahead of Duke but Caltech is worse than Duke, stop arguing that point."
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<p>Um, I'm not sure how familiar you are with premed, but Hopkins is generally the one school most people on here are in agreement that screens applicants. It is known for its world class med school and attracts a lot of premeds, so to keep its percentages high so as to maintain a high status it supposedly screens its applicants. I obviously don't work for Hopkins so I don't this for a fact, but it is generally agreed upon to some extent by most posters who I have seen discussing Hopkin's high rate. I've heard this in the real world as well.</p>
<p>I heard Caltech somewhat discourages students to be premed, and that the numbers of kids are in single-digits. It is very hard to get a good GPA there and most kids who go there don't want to be premeds and could likely get into a very good school (i.e. Duke or Cornell) and do premed if they wanted to. Again, many posters have explained this for people questioning MIT's relatively low rate, which occasionally is asked about, although I think most posters understand that Caltech is a bit more extreme and can understand why it may not be the best.</p>
<p>I think that point can be explained by some combination of:
1. The students admitted to Duke who are premed are stronger in academic qualities and potential and qualities med schools might like than those of Cornell students
2. Duke educates its students better for premed coursework than Cornell (which could mean higher MCAT scores)
3. Duke is more prestigious (which, considering med schools don't really care that much about prestige, doesn't factor in much regardless of whether Duke is more prestigious or not)</p>
<p>The argument was also made that Cornell experiences more grade deflation, however, I do not think this can be the single factor causing the discrepancy.</p>
<p>To clarify, I am not trying to argue Duke is better than Cornell here, but possibly suggesting it might be better choice for getting in to med school</p>
<p>Not a fair comparison... lmao, just about all ranking criteria, statistical studies use the whole university. Only Cornell students/supporters would separate the university. </p>
<p>Also, EAD mentioned this earlier. If you are going to argue a 50 point difference is not significant, then you would have to say that Duke students are equal to HYP, while I have seen you argue otherwise.</p>
<p>Princeton SAT 1490
Duke SAT 1440
Cornell SAT 1395</p>
<p>coolman if you go back to those thinks I believe they show tables which break down cornell applicants by mcat and gpa</p>
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<p>and Duke university has only those two colleges i listed. thx. and including all of cornell university means you would include Architecture, Hotel, Ag, Human Ecology, and Industrial and Labor Relations. But i don't think any CC'ers who are deciding between Duke and Cornell are interested in those colleges anyway.</p>
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just about all ranking criteria, statistical studies use the whole university. Only Cornell students/supporters would separate the university.
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<p>No. Only individuals who want to compare schools in a manner that is not intellectually bankrupt would be careful to consider the mitigating factors that may make such comparisons difficult when taken at face value.</p>
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I heard Caltech somewhat discourages students to be premed, and that the numbers of kids are in single-digits. It is very hard to get a good GPA there and most kids who go there don't want to be premeds and could likely get into a very good school (i.e. Duke or Cornell) and do premed if they wanted to. Again, many posters have explained this for people questioning MIT's relatively low rate, which occasionally is asked about, although I think most posters understand that Caltech is a bit more extreme and can understand why it may not be the best.
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<p>it doesn't matter that most caltech students wouldn't want to be premed because medical school admit % are out of students who DID apply to medical school at the end. Both MIT and Caltech have relatively low med admit % but we don't dare to argue their inferiority to Duke.</p>
<p>"just about all ranking criteria, statistical studies use the whole university."</p>
<p>This is certainly a fact. I can't believe you actually tried to argue otherwise.</p>
<p>Look apple2pie, Cornell's average SAT is a 1420. Look it up on wikipedia, they even cite their source.There is hardly any difference between a 1420 and a 1440, or whatever you said for Duke. That's one question or less. Take out Cornell's ag, architecture, and hotel, etc. and Cornell's SAT scores would be leaps and bounds ahead of Duke's.</p>
<p>Princeton is 90 plus...if memory serves me right
I am sorry if my explanation is insufficient, b/c you clearly don't understand...CayugaRed...arne't you premed...would you care to explain to cooman</p>
<p>I would also like to know your opinion as to why there is a discrepancy?</p>
<p>LMAO. Cornell's A+S and Engineering is 1420. Certainly not the entire University. I think I believe the Collegboad over wikipedia. And on wikipedia it says "Of those admitted".... not "of those who attend" lol.</p>
<p>No you dumbass... the entire university's average is 1420. Wikipedia cites their source. Hence the original source of info is not wiki.</p>