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Regardless of w/e "special" applicants they attract, these students are obviously weaker academically. That fact remains unchanged.</p>
<p>Your argument simply tells me WHY these students are weak.</p>
<p>I already said that I don't care what happens before/during the application process.</p>
<p>The END result is that Cornell has a weaker student body.
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<p>No. The End result is that Cornell enrolls much more diverse groups of student body, with diverse majors, academic interests, and career paths. Also, how many times do I need to repeat? The specialty schools look at different credentials in applicants. Pretty much every single architecture school in the nation practices similar admissions practice as Cornell's. Actually, each specialty school, such as Penn's nursing school, Cornell's specialty schools, Gtown's foreign school, Harvard's graduate schools in gov, education, etc etc practice admissions that are specialized. Cornell's mission is "any person, any study...". Cornell is exactly reflective of what its mission states. It strives to offer studies in wide range of things, ranging from CAS, engineering, architecture, to hotel management at all undergrad level.</p>
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I think I believe the Collegboad over wikipedia.
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<p>my head hurts so much from all this argument and looking at the view # of the thread, not that many ppl read this thread anyway so i will take an exit.</p>
<p>and seriously, apple2pie9, you believe collegeboard one minute, and would disregard it the next minute if it doesn't play in favor of Duke and give a different source to discard its data. At least, cornell (as a whole university) still has admit % lower than that of Duke according to collegeboard , and your cited source for class of 2012 is not official yet, and even then, that was 19% to 20%.</p>
<p>and yes, like i said earlier, it doesn't mean anything to you Duke kids, but according to NYT highschool survey data, given between two schools Duke and Cornell, cornell was selected more often than Duke. (ok ok, not much more, but still more than duke)</p>
<p>and yes yes, i guess it has New England bias or whatever even though the source states it surveyed across the america, but that's why you guys are attending or interested in Duke, right?</p>
<p>so be happy at where you are and stop bashing other school saying stuff like, </p>
<p>Duke is notch above cornell and brown. -- paraphrasing what EAD said.</p>
<p>"No. The End result is that Cornell enrolls much more diverse groups of student body, with diverse majors, academic interests, and career paths"</p>
<p>Certainly an optimistic way of putting things.</p>
<p>Also, EAD mentioned this earlier. If you are going to argue a 50 point difference is not significant, then you would have to say that Duke students are equal to HYP, while I have seen you argue otherwise.</p>
<p>Princeton SAT 1490
Duke SAT 1440
Cornell SAT 1395
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<p>Are you this ignorant? Going by your logic, and hence judging school's level or prestige by SATs, then, CalTech would be the most prestigious school in the world, WELL ahead of Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Yale, or even MIT. Also, I may add, schools consider many things besides SATs, such as ecs, essays, leaderships, etc. A school's prestige is a combination of many different factors.</p>
<p>Also, as a note, there isn't much difference in STUDENT Quaulity among top 10=15ish schools. But, there are gaps between schools' reps. A Princeton student isn't automatically more gifted than Duke or Cornell student. I have seen many with ACT lower than mine who got into HYP.</p>
<p>"and seriously, apple2pie9, you believe collegeboard one minute, and would disregard it the next minute if it doesn't play in favor of Duke and give a different source to discard its data."</p>
<p>I only use the most up-to-date info. omg.</p>
<p>I used the admit rate for 2012 because those are available. And certainly with those, duke admit rate is lower than Cornell.</p>
<p>I used the sat median for 2011 because those are the only ones available. And certainly with those, duke are higher than Cornell.</p>
<p>jesus christ, brown man. What is your critical reading score? The info you gave me is for "admitted students" not for attending students...wow...</p>
<p>So you think Cornell is the safety ivy, huh? At least it IS IVY. DUKE IS NOT EVEN IVY. No matter how "selective" your school gets, or how high its USNEWS rankings get, it will never be IVY. Period.</p>
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I used the admit rate for 2012 because those are available. And certainly with those, duke admit rate is lower than Cornell.
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<p>Acceptance rates tell you nothing.</p>
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[quote[I used the sat median for 2011 because those are the only ones available. And certainly with those, duke are higher than Cornell.
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<p>Okay, but not after controlling for academic major. And I would also <em>love</em> to control for socioeconomic background.</p>
<p>You have yet to respond substantively to any of our points.</p>