<p>/officially not checking this thread anymore until i see the damn movie</p>
<p>What if me and Penguinone are just found assassinated tommorow morning. The only evidence the police find is a note that says “You’re garbage who kills for money!” and a transcript with a 4.9 GPA and a 2400 SAT score. I could just see the murder investigation into CC lmao. But I’m glad/annoyed at the same time that it’s not revealed if he dies. At first I’m gonna be like “OMG BATMAN MIGHT BE DEAD!” Then I’m gonna spend the next couple months contemplating if he died :/</p>
<p>^…what?</p>
<p>On the issue of him dying or not - it is definitely revealed.</p>
<p>Still too much ambiguity for my liking but yeah I guess you’re right.</p>
<p>There isn’t any ambiguity with the end…it’s definitely clear-cut. And you could see it coming from a mile away.</p>
<p>I loved it. I think that as a movie, The Dark Knight was better. It felt more like just a great movie than a great superhero movie, if that makes sense. For example, TDK’s tone was much more realistic; the premise itself was. However, TDKR’s premise is much more comic book-y (a little far-fetched and whatnot). But TDKR is a more fun and exciting movie; I think it’s a better overall cinematic experience. I was quite literally on the edge of my seat the entire movie. About 2 hours in I leaned over to my friend and whispered “This movie is so ******* good” haha. Just out of sheer excitement. I appreciate The Dark Knight more, but I liked The Dark Knight Rises better, if that makes sense.</p>
<p>I also REALLLLLLY liked Tom Hardy’s performance. His body-language is outstanding and so appropriate since his mouth is masked. Bane himself was such a good choice of a villain. Obviously it’d be near-impossible to top Ledger’s Joker, but I really enjoyed Bane’s physical presence, something no villain’s really had in Nolan’s trilogy. Yeah, Ra’s al Ghul was League of Shadows, but you never got worried for Batman when the two fought. “I am Gotham’s reckoning.” oh my goodness that line is so epic haha.</p>
<p>The third act of the movie is so good. The first act is a little slow but I never became bored if that makes sense. I felt like it was a bit hard to follow some of what was going on but I had to pee like a racehorse about 15 minutes in and I held it in the whole movie. I honestly think it was my full bladder that kept me from devoting 100% of my attention to the film. </p>
<p>I kind of want this thread to become a place for discussion on the movie. Which means spoilers. Because some of my main complaints can’t be addressed without spoilers. </p>
<p>So, since I’m OP, I officially declare this a SPOILER-FULL BOARD. PROCEED WITH CAUTION.</p>
<p>Can you change the title to reflect spoilers?</p>
<p>Do you want me to make a new thread? Because I don’t think I can…at least, I don’t know how to.</p>
<p>I mean I don’t know how to change the title haha I know how to make a new thread.</p>
<p>Well you wrote up there ^ that spoilers are fair game so anyone who reads through up to that post has been warned.</p>
<p>If you say so…</p>
<p>HE’S ALIVEEEEEEEEE.</p>
<p>No because I know if I had seen a spoiler I would’ve gone ballistic…so I guess everyone’s been warned.</p>
<p>But I read an interesting interpretation. Someone on IMDb was saying that the end can be seen as ambiguous. Yes, this isn’t Inception, but it is Chris Nolan. And this guy pointed out, how would Wayne know where Alfred’s cafe was? How would he know to be there? So you can interpret it as Alfred’s imagination; he feels so guilty over Bruce’s death he’s projected this image of him into the cafe.</p>
<p>Or you can take it as most people will, with Fox finding out he fixed the autopilot and ejected from The Bat. And he’s alive.</p>
<p>Like Inception, where I like to believe he’s awake, I like to believe Wayne is alive.</p>
<p>I told you there was ambiguity >.></p>
<p>But with the scene at the end:</p>
<p>1) Alfred never met Selina, how would he have a fantasy with her in it without knowing what she looks like?</p>
<p>2) Earlier in the movie, Alfred says that in his fantasies Bruce never acknowledges him, but in the final scene you clearly see Bruce look at Alfred and notice him.</p>
<p>3) Then there’s the whole thing with the auto-pilot, why would they even bother to put that in if it wasn’t a major plot detail? They wouldn’t give him an “escape route” if he wasn’t mean to escape.</p>
<p>4) The whole thing with batman and catwoman wanting to escape and create a new life was a theme throughout the whole thing (the whole card that erases the past thing), it only seems fitting that in the end they are able to start a new life in Italy.</p>
<p>Yeah there are some fishy plot details throughout the whole ending, but it is a superhero movie after all.</p>
<p>Personally, I really loved this movie, especially the last few moments of the film. I was smiling in my seat. (Now there needs to be a Nightwing movie :p, even though it probably will never happen.)</p>
<p>Correct me if I’m wrong, but the last seen where Alfred is in Florence is supposed to be a real scene rather than a fantasy.</p>
<p>^ yeah that’s what I’m saying</p>
<p>I agree Yankee. This was another guy’s interpretation, I just thought it was interesting.</p>
<p>I have a problem with John Blake being named Robin. Robin’s name is not Robin, it’s either Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, or Tim Drake (in most incarnations). That was definitely dumbed down for the audience. And there won’t be a Nightwing film; I can guarantee you 9 out of 10 people have no idea who Nightwing is.</p>
<p>Yeah I definitely feel like the whole Robin thing was just thrown in there (forced, actually) at the end to excite the fans about the possibility of another movie. Even though I think Nolan said he was done. But then again there’s nothing that says the movie series is gonna strictly follow the comic series, so you never know. After that ending with Blake discovering the bat cave and quitting the force, I find it hard to believe there wont be any kind of spin-off or sequel, even if it’s with another director.</p>
<p>Note here: these movies are clearly not following the comics in any way whatsoever. So it’s entirely possible that Blake could be some sort of future Robin/Nightwing. Who knows?
Although what I got out of it is that Batman was a rather short-lived superhero, which is rather disappointing. Although I did like that Talia al Ghul ended up being a romantic interest.</p>
<p>Well they don’t “follow” the comics, but the rough premise of each movie has definitely been strongly influenced by comics. The Dark Knight drew heavily from The Killing Joke (the ultimate Joker graphic novel) as The Long Halloween (lot of Harvey Dent/Two-Face in there). The Dark Knight rises definitely follows some comics. No Man’s Land is about how an earthquake ravages Gotham and gangs control the city (a plot element in TDKR; Bane’s army owns the city). The Dark Knight Returns details Batman’s return after 10+ years of absence (he’s in his fifties though, but Wayne’s injuries in TDKR definitely draw heavily from it). And Knightfall, where Bane first appeared; in it, Bane breaks Batman’s back and is replaced by Jean-Paul Valley. In TDKR Batman’s back is broken by Bane.</p>
<p>So, at least the second two draw heavily from comics. Obviously no comic book movie is the exact same as a story arc in the comic books; that’d be dumb and redundant. But many plot elements are indeed borrowed.</p>
<p>And both Nolan and Bale said this was their final Batman movie. The series will be reboot within the 7 or so years though because DC and Warner Bros are interested in a Justice League film.</p>