The excrutiating Admission Room

<p>It must be damn near painful to be in the Admission Room where adcoms decide over applicants. </p>

<p>I must ask the question, How are the Adcoms to differentiate between candidates and the excrutiating decisions that must be made?</p>

<p>One of the first problems I see stems from a conversation in the "How low SAT" thread by Apfreak, inwhich we discussed the case of a Kid from one of the worst situations in America period. SAT:910 GPA:4.0 RANK: 1 SCHOOL: Southeast DC. </p>

<p>How did the adcoms come to the consensus that his application was not enough for admission and those of other kids particularly those who were given every opportunity</p>

<p>Another question is how the hell can they keep track of all the little things:</p>

<p>-Making sure every state is represented
-Being aware of all the awards and abreviations
-Trying to find lies and misrepresentations
-Keeping track of URMs and Women
-Keeping track of the SAT average
-Keeping track of the atheletes
-Appeasing the coachs
-Appeasing the rich donors
-Keeping track of the poor
-Denying applicants of a certain type "Upper Middle Class New Jersey Asian American Academic superstar" over " South Florida Hispanic lower middle class mediocre"
-Identifing some of the extenuating circumstance and giving them a value, "I was homeless: SAT 1770" while trying to compare it to " I had a great mom and dad, and lived in a nice house: SAT 2400"
- Assigning values to the wildly unstandard High schools, For example a good school in South Carolina is no where near the competiveness of Stuy, Bronx Science, Tomas Jefferson, most Fairfax schools, most Montgomery(MD) schools....
-Assiging values to recommendations, a teacher who is relatively young in her or his career might say a kid "IS THE BEST IN CAREER" but a old geiser who taught einstein as a kid might say " ABOVE AVERAGE" to THE SAME APPLICANT.
- Assigning a value to the essay.....enough said
-Trying to counterbalance the aid of outside support. Obviously a kid who went to KAPLAN, bought into the IVYWISE private consultant, bought a EXTRACURRICULAR ADVISOR, paid for the essay.... DESERVE to have a diminished chance, but CAN HARVARD REALLY REJECT HIM FOR TRYING TO PRESENT THE BEST APPLICATION POSSIBLE</p>

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Assembling a class of Harvard must be a task that not even Herculeas can accomplish</p>

<p>What do you guys think, how do you feel the adcoms will look at your application since the decision has already been made (DEC 9 for 99% of the applicants) and the only thing left is notification on the 14th? What situations do you think Harvard should accept a candidate under besides the 2400/4.0/1/good EC? I mean wow. </p>

<p>That PBS documentary on Amherst must have been staged, because the admission process MUST include some secretive finger play. It isnt the utopian Meritocracy it is like in India or Korea where the top 500 scorers on ONE test are given admission.</p>

<p>its tough because those top 2400/4.0/1/good ec are a dime a dozen for them. i have no clue why they would pick a candidate like me (not perfect) over someone like that. it is likely that they won't. i guess we have no idea of how they do it. the best we can do is strive for perfection, which in this case is exactly what they want. who knows. i know im going to either get accpeted or get rejected outright. either they see me or they dont. so hopfully they look beyond grades etc. and do their best to get a good selection of kids who genuinely deserve to be there. the task might be impossible for hurculeas (spellin) but its a yearly tasik for the adcoms at harvard.</p>

<p>on a diff note: dont you hate how one day you think you have a great shot at getting in and the next you are positive you're getting rejected? one day im like yes, ive done/am doing everything right, and the next im like dang i suck in comparison. harvard has to reject plenty of people better then me, why would they choose me? this drives me crazy! oh well, just a year more (im a junior)</p>

<p>"South Florida Hispanic lower middle class mediocre"</p>

<p>Oh go screw yourself. Not man enough to name names?</p>

<p>Shark I know exactly what you mean. I feel like I am an auto-admit one day and a flat out reject the next. Goodness, these are the longest days for my life, I swear. I cant even think straight.</p>

<p>Oh, yes, I've had "bipolar-admissions syndrome" way too much lately.</p>

<p>BTW, Biz, this may help you with what they look for:</p>

<p>It's the "Harvard Interviewer's Guide," and I found it online while Googling something. <a href="http://www.aad.harvard.edu/alumni/html/handbook.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.aad.harvard.edu/alumni/html/handbook.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>i feel the exact same way, dha and runningincircles. im seriously going bipolar over here.</p>

<p>Today was a "I think I have a shot" day. Yesterday was a "I need to make sure I have everything in place for my deferral/rejection" day. Who knows what tomorrow will bring.</p>

<p>Guys, I am like totally freaking out right now! I swear, I can't wait any longer. I would rather be rejected than deferred, waitlisted, and rejected (most likely scenario). I want to know now!!!</p>

<p>^^Im freaking out! (and I don't freak out!)</p>

<p>wow that is really weird, I thought I was the only one with "bipolar admissions syndrome" (I like the name BTW). I'm a junior too and I think about college waaaaay too much. One day I'm like "why wouldn't they want me" and the next I am like "there is no possible way they could take me". I've been having a lot of those latter days.....:(</p>

<p>You guys need to relax. I know what you're going through, and I remember the days feeling very long, but there's not really anything you can do in the next few days. Try to enjoy the winter season. </p>

<p>Honestly, there is so much more to life than going to Harvard! A lot of times it's easy to think that college is the be-all end-all of your life. It's definitely not.</p>

<p>Deep breaths, kids!</p>

<p>same.exact.thing.</p>

<p>one minute im like yay im going to harvard next year and the next im like what the hell was i thinking apply to harvard- who do i think i am? im not special. well i guess we'll see in a short period of time....</p>

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<p>You might still be very special even if you don't get into Harvard next week. Take for example my elder daughter: she was flat out rejected by Yale in EA. But in RD she was accepted by Harvard, MIT, Stanford, Berkeley, and Pomona. So was she special? Her one EA school said no, but all her RD schools said yes.</p>

<p>So relax. Whatever happens next week, the chances are very good that you will end up with many fine schools from which to choose. Assuming that your stats are strong enough to have a reasonable shot at Harvard, you will end up acceptances that most kids could only dream of. So win, lose, or draw on Dec. 15th, in the end it's all good!</p>

<p>Again referring to the new yorker article I read: Ivies pay attention to your "personality," "maturity," etc. Back in the 60s, Harvard rated each applicant on a scale of 1 to 6, 1 being the highest, in 4 different sections: academic, extracurricular, athletic, and PERSONAL. The fact that athletic was separated from extracurriculars shows why athletes still get higher admission rates than those who rely only on academics. However, the PERSONAL section has been the most important. Those with a personal rating of 1 had a 2.5% rejection rate, while those with 4 or worse had a rejection rate of 98%. Thus, the personal rating has been the main decider of admission.</p>

<p>That system is still in place (with some modifications). Your character, etc are much more important than your scores, because, really - almost all applicants have great scores and grades.</p>

<p>Read this, it's actually really interesting:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.newyorker.com/critics/atlarge/articles/051010crat_atlarge%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.newyorker.com/critics/atlarge/articles/051010crat_atlarge&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>I hope they still don't use that system. I work fri,sat,sun,mon,wed from 4-11 each night making it almost impossible for other ecs (but I've managed), and impossible for sports as they're every day things right after school where I come from. Also, I've missed 32 days of school this year because of an illness and because of complications after the surgery for that illness. Now I'm better, though. :)</p>

<p>Karabas, I read this LAST NIGHT! Cool. Yeah, I'm glad I wrote a funny essay instead of an academic essay. I found it interesting how they judged candidates on looks and such.</p>

<p>Semper, yeah they still use this system today. Though, its original intent (to keep Jews out of their institutions) is not in place.</p>

<p>You know what's funny, though, at the interview:</p>

<p>Interviewer: "Wow, you're pretty tall... how tall are you?"</p>

<p>Me: "6'4"</p>

<p>Funny... I don't know if this was coincidince, but it does raise a brow...</p>

<p>haha hmmmmm</p>

<p>Really, though... has anyone visited Harvard or Yale? Would you say that the average height of a person there is tall or short?</p>

<p>I found the average height of people in the yard to be taller than the norm... I'm 6'2", and I felt just average.</p>