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<p>^That article is idiotic. All the reasons why it lists for why drugs are bad, are for the most part reasons why drugs being illegal are bad, and why the government’s misinformation campaign against drugs has been bad as well.</p>
<p>Make drugs illegal, and you eliminate the majority of drug crime. You put the illegal drug dealer out of business over night. </p>
<p>There will still be people who steal money or steal drugs, to get them. But that’s a money thing, not a drug thing. People steal money for reasons other to buy drugs too.</p>
<p>Aha! So money is the root of all evil not drugs.</p>
<p>Well, I think they are both evil. But who knows? I could be wrong.</p>
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<p>You can never really be sure of anything. Unless you knew all the possibilities to predict.</p>
<p>^What is evil about a plant? Please tell me what’s evil about a plant. I would really like to know how a plant can be inherently evil. Please enlighten me.</p>
<p>@gotaku it’s illegal so meh. I don’t want to group it in with legal substances like alcohol or cigarettes nor do I want to group it in with drugs like Tylenol.</p>
<p>Axion, your comment includes Alcohol. Justify why the world would be universally better off without alcohol. That article isn’t very good, as noted. Do not cite someone elses ideas. Back up your own. If you can’t without researching or at all, then you should think about the ideas you hold harder.</p>
<p>Alcohol is a touchy substance. In moderation it’s great. The different kinds of beers, wines, rums, vodkas, vermouths… and then the multitude of cocktails. Craft beers are a gift to mankind. I think Ben Franklin once said “wine is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” Replace ‘wine’ with ‘craft beer’ (although wine is good too) and it’s spot-on.</p>
<p>I’ve never understood the hatred for alcohol from some people. The people who say that drinking by yourself (which is a blanket statement ranging from a weak beer to getting drunk to the point of passing out) is alcoholism. It can be an evil substance, it’s partly responsible for a majority of auto deaths in the US (the other part is just the person who drinks too much), but if you know your limits then it won’t do anything to you. I know alcoholism runs in my family which is why I quickly stopped getting drunk at parties. I can still enjoy myself with a few beers, but I know I shouldn’t push it past that.</p>
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<p>You have never heard of poison ivy eh? :)</p>
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<p>@DCHurricane
You are badly misinformed if you think alcohol is not a drug. Alcohol is a harder drug than cannabis and kills infinitely more people via overdose, as it is impossible to OD by smoking cannabis (due to physical limitations). Alcohol can also cause physical dependence, where cannabis can’t. (Btw, for the purposes of this thread, I’m using “cannabis” to refer to THC and all other chemicals in cannabis that have recreational potential.)</p>
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Doing drugs/alcohol == putting substances in your body == altering your mind. These are equivalent statements.</p>
<p>I have some desire to alter my mind, but I currently refrain. Your problem is that you look at doing drugs/drinking as “conforming,” when you SHOULD be looking at them as ways to experience new things. My decision to refrain is informed, whereas yours is out of ignorance.
Why would you post a source you haven’t even looked at? That article is a fairy tale. “What if drugs didn’t exist?” Great… Here’s mine… “What if guns didn’t exist?” Both questions have pros and cons. But your personal abstinence is doing zero to rid the world of drugs, and any efforts to do so would be futile anyway. You might as well abstain from having sex in an attempt to convince everyone else to stop.</p>
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If someone tells me they feel that their sole purpose in life is to do something, I think it’s pretty safe to say they’re probably going to do it.</p>
<p>@gotakun I know it’s a drug. **** it, pretend I never called weed a “hard drug.” I’m not trying to demonize it mind you.</p>
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<p>I don’t buy this analysis-</p>
<p>I attend College out of conformity.
I go to work out of conformity.
I play sports out of conformity.
I wear a specific type of clothes out of conformity.
I care about my grade point average out of conformity.
I am part of the educational system in America out of conformity</p>
<p>If I really wanted to “experience new things” I would abandon the entire system and end up living a life somewhat similar to the life portrayed in “Into the Wild.” Now, that would be absolute freedom and control. </p>
<p>I don’t agree with your analysis; I don’t see not doing drugs/alcohol as simply a method of not conforming. I conform to many things and I don’t see any real problem with it. I simply have no desire to put these substances into my body. If that makes me ignorant or arrogant, then this is merely a byproduct of actually being in control of something in my life(Of which, I have always felt that I have had very little control). So if I would want to experience new things, then I would want to experience more control. As a College student(Who cares about my grades), I’m not quite so sure this will happen.</p>
<p>You could definitely make a solid argument that if I didn’t care about my grades and I didn’t work then I could definitely enjoy myself and try more things(And I would agree with this). However, this isn’t exactly easy to change. Maybe the real problem is that I simply just care about these things too much.</p>
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<p>I simply do not participate in activities which I consider wrong. You will have people on both sides of the chessboard; so my personal abstinence does not significantly influence either of the players.</p>
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<p>If I knew what I was suppose to do then I would be doing it right now. I wouldn’t be posting in these forums.</p>
<p>I have to agree with Axion</p>
<p>I don’t see how drugs = experiencing new things</p>
<p>Seems like pretty elementary in the comparison. I think that is pretty ignorant</p>
<p>@Axion004:
If you wanted to experience something new, you could do any number of things, including what you have listed. There is no reason why you have to do all of them. In fact, it seems to me that the easiest new experience would be at the top of the list. With drugs as prevalent as they are, a new drug experience would be among the easiest. Keep in mind, I’m not convincing you to try drugs.</p>
<p>It’s possible I misunderstood you. Typically, people who take this tone
are the ones who feel like everyone around them is doing drugs because it’s the “cool,” “trendy” thing to do. And they’re “above” that.</p>
<p>Your argument about control is nonsensical. If you feel that you don’t have the freedom to do something because you’re worried about grades, you are in less control of your life. However, I don’t feel that experiencing something new is going to affect your grades in the slightest… Developing a habit, on the other hand, could.</p>
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That is perfectly acceptable. What, specifically, about trying a drug do you consider immoral? (That’s not as much a personal attack as an invitation to educate me so that I can better understand the people who take your stance.)</p>
<p>I don’t know how this topic got mixed in here… But…
If this is truly how you feel, then nothing short of a premature death is going to keep you from it.</p>
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For someone who has never tried them, how is it even possible that actually trying them wouldn’t be experiencing something new? Seems like pretty elementary logic.</p>
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It just doesn’t seem too logical or even a high means of thinking to see drugs to be equal to experiencing ‘new things’. Obviously there are gateways but why are they seen as a means to be “experiencing” anything? It’s something ingested, absorbed, consumed that changes your body’s nerve connections and increases entropy. How is that really experiencing?</p>
<p>the person who initially made that comment that I was responding to said that is how drugs “SHOULD” be looked at. As a means of experiencing? Why should drugs be viewed as that? Also, why would we view the general term “Drug” as that? As I am sure you are well aware there are many different forms of drugs that contribute different effects (generally ill) to the body in some form of another and then others that those ill effects actually go towards a greater good (like tylenol for example… Im sure you know how it works and i dont have to go into the details)</p>
<p>What you said to me is pretty obvious and rhetorical because obviously if you never have than that is something new but the person I was replying to… that is not what they meant. They meant in general, the use of drugs should be viewed as that but even as an excuse or reasoning it really doesn’t justify or make real sense in his reply to was it… Axion maybe? I was saying how it doesn’t make sense how if you choose to not use any mind altering substance for whatever reason that makes you ignorant but it isn’t ignorant if you feel you should look at drugs solely as “trying something new” when in reality, when you really look at it… which looks more ignorant?</p>
<p>@FuturePRrep:
I think you’re really stretching, not to mention this new and elaborated argument is not really the same as your previous one. You also seem to have taken a straw man approach to this… I’ll just ignore that and respond to the relevant statements.</p>
<p>I understand what you’re saying. It’s fair to say that one’s first dose of Acetaminophen is a new experience, just as with any other drug.
I thought that was kind of an ironic statement. That is exactly what experiencing is, whether on drugs or not, if you want to break it down to that level. It’s a little oversimplified (understatement), but it’ll do.</p>
<p>You don’t have to guess who the poster was, nor do you have to guess who he was responding to. You can scroll up 5 posts and see for yourself. You’re talking to him.</p>
<p>(Or if you’re in reply mode, scroll down 5 posts.)</p>
<p>The thing that people who don’t do drugs need to understand, is that the people who do use drugs don’t care whether those people use drugs or not. What they care about is how many of those people try to control whether or not drugs can be used for others.</p>
<p>It’s really a matter of freedom. If people want to use something like marijuana, then let them, if they don’t want to, that’s cool too.</p>
<p>i got high off grass for the first time in my life yesterday. and for some reason I feel like a more complete (and better) person by shedding a part of me that always wants to stay in my comfort zone. </p>
<p>youll never know if you’ve experienced something new until youve experienced it.</p>
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See? A success story. I’m telling you, my methods work. I should write a book…</p>
<p>True, but it seems like people on here are glorifying the use of drugs/alcohol.</p>
<p>gotakun, like I said, that is practically a rhetorical statement that you just repeated for the second time. The first time of anything is going to be “new” for that is the definition of new. I am just saying how is it not ignorant that that is how a person above stated that that is how the general term of “drugs” “SHOULD” be viewed?</p>
<p>and in response to what you said about my “ironic” statement. If you really want to get to the nitty gritty of psychology and even philosophy. Many would argue that the statement I gave is so far from an intellectual “experience”. Increasing your body’s disorder really doesn’t have much to do with your mind and beings way of experiencing anything… it’s much more subconscious than that. </p>
<p>Even the general use of the term “drug” shouldn’t be viewed as just a means to “experience” something when there are so many other facets to it. I think people who use drugs need to see that as well and not just call others ignorant because they choose to look at another one of those aspects that may be different from your own. that is what I’m saying.</p>
<p>I agree with the statement above mine is well. Why exactly should drug abuse be glorified whether in college or not?</p>