"The Full College Experience" -- Overrated? Rediculous?

[gotakun]

<p>I don’t think it’s so much a “rhetorical” statement… maybe you’re thinking of “redundant”? Either way, it was my (appropriate) response to you:

@FuturePRrep

I don’t see how drugs = experiencing new things

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<p>I’m going to be honest. Your grammar is so confusing, I feel that I can’t even respond to most of your post. I sincerely did not understand what you were trying to say.</p>

<p>From the best that I can gather, I think you’ve misunderstood and overgeneralized what I’ve said. The advice I gave to Axion004 is not some justification for the chronic use of recreational drugs. Also, I’m fully aware of the definition of “ignorant,” and I don’t use the term loosely.</p>

<p>Recreational drug use is probably glorified by its proponents in an attempt to counter the stigma it has earned by the ignorant opposition. There is so much misinformation that has been taken to heart by so many people, misinformation that fuels entire campaigns against drug use, that the reputations of proponents are at stake. When people are afraid to stand up for truth, something is wrong. This is true for several very major issues that people have very strong opinions about.</p>

[FuturePRrep]

<p>rhetorical meaning it doesn’t need to be even looked at, responded to. As in, “It’s a given”</p>

<p>I apologize. Maybe you just don’t understand my grammar because you’re used to something much simpler and I can attempt to simplify it for you if that’s what’s deemed necessary. </p>

<p>I don’t see much misinformation than what has actually occurred due to people under the influence of any sort of drug. Facts are hardly uninformed statements and any information (I’m assuming you’re going to be talking about media biases? I’m a Media major so I know a thing or two about that ) but even how someone portrays something, a rebuttal to that shouldn’t be any sort of “glorifying” even if it is in defense to an opposition.</p>

<p>and if you don’t use the term ignorant loosely, how can you say that people who oppose drug use are ignorant? and I’m overgeneralizing? Hmmm</p>

[gotakun]

<p>Yeah, I guess sentence fragments are just beyond me.

@FuturePRrep

gotakun, like I said, that is practically a rhetorical statement that you just repeated for the second time.

You need to review the definition of “rhetorical.”

I am just saying how is it not ignorant that that is how a person above stated that that is how the general term of “drugs” “SHOULD” be viewed?

I don’t even know what what you are trying to say…

and in response to what you said about my “ironic” statement.

A prepositional phrase does not a sentence make.

If you really want to get to the nitty gritty of psychology and even philosophy.

Here’s another sentence fragment…

Many would argue that the statement I gave is so far from an intellectual “experience”.

You really like those fragments…

Increasing your body’s disorder really doesn’t have much to do with your mind and beings way of experiencing anything… it’s much more subconscious than that.

I’m not even going to touch this one. It’s an unrelated topic.

Even the general use of the term “drug” shouldn’t be viewed as just a means to “experience” something when there are so many other facets to it.

How is the “general use” of any term a “means to ‘experience’ something”? Or maybe the subject was supposed to be “term,” but that still doesn’t make any sense. I assume you meant drug use shouldn’t be viewed…

I think people who use drugs need to see that as well and not just call others ignorant because they choose to look at another one of those aspects that may be different from your own.

I don’t even use drugs, and I’m the one you’re referring to. Also, your reason for why I call people ignorant was wrong. And all of this is because you overgeneralized my statement to Axion004.</p>

[FuturePRrep]

<p>Have you ever even read prose? Fragmenting any form of writing occurs and I’d rather keep ideas compacted generalized than confuse you further because you are so locked in your own ideas that you refuse to even look outside the box. Another term/word for that would be… (Since you like filling in your own ideas I’ll let you come up with this one yourself ;))</p>

<p>“I am just saying how is it not ignorant that that is how a person above stated that that is how the general term of “drugs” “SHOULD” be viewed?”</p>

<p>Let me simplify it for ya sweet cheeks</p>

<p>How can one call something “ignorant” when it is simply just a rebuttal to what the person a few pages back stated, which he said that, (and I am going to paraphrase so I don’t have to get all official and give credit to the original speaker ;)) that drug use should be viewed simply as a means to experience. <---- that statement, is pure ignorance because as we are all very well aware drugs are not meant to “experience” and certainly not be taken with such a light heart when abuse is so prevalent. </p>

<p>Better?
and No, I meant the term.</p>

<p>Rhetoric - undue use or display.</p>

<p>Who needs to review? :-P</p>

[you_of_eh]

<p>taker easy boys before someone pulls a muscle</p>

[FuturePRrep]

<p>Im a girl ;)</p>

[Axion004]

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If you wanted to experience something new, you could do any number of things, including what you have listed. There is no reason why you have to do all of them. In fact, it seems to me that the easiest new experience would be at the top of the list. With drugs as prevalent as they are, a new drug experience would be among the easiest.

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<p>A new drug experience wouldn’t make me feel in control of my surroundings any more than no drug experience. I don’t think your logic.</p>

<p>And I can’t respond further: As I have Finals week. And I’m guessing you already know what this means.</p>

[gotakun]

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@FuturePRrep

Have you ever even read prose? Fragmenting any form of writing occurs and I’d rather keep ideas compacted generalized than confuse you further because you are so locked in your own ideas that you refuse to even look outside the box. Another term/word for that would be… (Since you like filling in your own ideas I’ll let you come up with this one yourself )

Give me a break… You’ve made false assumptions about me and dug yourself a hole. Prose? I cut you a lot of breaks and studied your posts to understand you, as best as one is able to understand garbage. I didn’t even mention the often absent punctuation that adds to the confusion. I was also patient with you as you changed your argument, and I actually sifted through the straw man arguments to find relevant statements. Adcoms would never do any of that. They would have called it trash and tossed it. Even in your explanation, you still made so many mistakes, one is left to assume your meaning. You really need to work on that… Separate your independent clauses with commas and make sure every sentence has a subject and complete predicate. Just following those two rules will help IMMENSELY.</p>

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How can one call something “ignorant” when it is simply just a rebuttal to what the person a few pages back stated, which he said that, (and I am going to paraphrase so I don’t have to get all official and give credit to the original speaker ) that drug use should be viewed simply as a means to experience.

The above quote is in reference to this statement:

@gotakun

My decision to refrain is informed, whereas yours is out of ignorance.

Just to end this argument, let me explain… At that point (and still currently), the dissenting opinions of drugs that had been stated were not based on true facts. Since decisions were made based on these unfounded opinions, those decisions were, by definition, ignorant.</p>

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that statement, is pure ignorance because as we are all very well aware drugs are not meant to “experience” and certainly not be taken with such a light heart when abuse is so prevalent.

Drugs aren’t meant to do anything, unless someone gives them a purpose. Besides, I am very well-versed on this topic, and I make it a point not to give uninformed advice. My statement may have been many things, but ignorant is not one of them, unless you care to prove that (which I encourage).</p>

<p>I was also giving you the benefit of the doubt with the “rhetorical” thing. It was definitely not rhetorical. It was a purposeful, unexaggerated statement to show the direct relation of two concepts. I don’t even know if there are such things as “rhetorical statements,” supposedly similar to rhetorical questions.</p>

<p>Honestly, this is like teaching an elementary child. Unfortunately, it’s most difficult to teach those who don’t understand their own ignorance.</p>

<p>Oh, yeah, and instead of paraphrasing and referring to me as “the original speaker,” go back and copy the quote. You’ll be less prone to embarrassing yourself that way.</p>

[NonAntiAnarchist]

<p>You’ve both distorted the meaning of the wink face. Way to go…</p>

[gotakun]

<p>I don’t know what happened… It was supposed to say
I don’t even know what what what you are trying to say…
to make fun of her “that that.” I screwed that one up… It looks intentional, I guess…</p>

[FuturePRrep]

<p>The fact that you took the time to actually study a forum post is sad in itself.
I know they say females mature faster but boy do you prove that “unintentionally” I’m sure. If you have nothing better to do than “make fun of someone” on the internet your life sure has little meaning doesnt it? oh wait I forgot the face</p>

<p>“Just to end this argument, let me explain… At that point (and still currently), the dissenting opinions of drugs that had been stated were not based on true facts. Since decisions were made based on these unfounded opinions, those decisions were, by definition, ignorant.”</p>

<p>Why does anyone’s opinion have to be deemed ignorant? Just because it doesn’t cookie cutter match your own view? Clearly, nobody knows the complete facts or the else issue wouldn’t be controversal would it? Just because you are set in your own ways and think you know the facts doesn’t make you anymore correct than any other poster in this discussion. Also, just because you choose to nitpick and attack someone in such a demeaning way, someone you don’t even KNOW for that matter, I feel that makes you pretty sad and in all honesty, I feel very very sorry for you.</p>

<p>Why don’t you just realize gotakun, that not everyone in life is going to agree with you. Just because they don’t doesn’t make them in any way less of a person than yourself and doesn’t make them ignorant. There are many ways to view a controversial issue and many reasons not to, or to do drugs. At the end of the day what really matters exactly? What you do with your own life is what matters.</p>

<p>It doesn’t take a genius to know that even a statement can have rhetoric. </p>

<p>You really don’t need to tell me how to write. 1) It’s a forum and 2) I have many great works of writing and my ideas come across just fine but you don’t know me so I wouldn’t expect you to know that. </p>

<p>Why would I want to go back and copy exactly? Embarrass myself? I think my paraphrase actually made that original speaker look a little less ignorant </p>

<p>lol. Seriously. If you don’t understand my posts and choose to attack me as I result of it all I have to say is I can see from yours is you are just a very hard headed person who can’t accept that people actually have a mind of their own and can think for themselves. Oh well, your loss. </p>

<p>If you have anything else to say, demeaning or not gotakun. How about you send me a message. Clogging up this thread clearly isn’t doing anyone any good, and we’re the guilty party ;)</p>

<p>Have a great holiday.</p>

[gotakun]

<p>Why don’t you show off some of that maturity of yours and be the one who chooses not respond to me? Thanks. I appreciate it.</p>

<p>If you backtrack, I actually never intended to point out any flaws of yours. Sorry, babe, but you brought this on yourself. Feel free to place the blame on me, though, if it helps you sleep at night.</p>

<p>It’s funny to me that you refuse to believe you’re wrong… Because of that, you have some skewed idea about me that I make fun of people for not agreeing with me? Hahaha… Right… Babe, I only make personal attacks where personal attacks are due :).</p>

<p>You don’t have to believe me that you embarrass yourself. Ignorance is bliss, right? Just for the record, I think it would be hard for you to make anyone “look a little less ignorant” by paraphrasing. Am I being too harsh? Maybe. Like I said before, you brought this on yourself.</p>

<p>Also, I encourage dissenting opinions. In case you missed it…

…unless you care to prove that (which I encourage).

Life isn’t about winning for me. It’s about knowing the truth. That might be hard for you to understand. “Oh well, your loss.”</p>

[NonAntiAnarchist]

<p>Yeah babe, you brought this on yourself, babe.</p>

<p>I just want to say that Future PR spoke (mostly) english in her last post, which I appreciated :)</p>

<p>What was the argument about in the first place? I’d read the earlier posts, but my batter life lasts only 9 hours…</p>

[gotakun]

<p>I have no idea how, but somehow, partying, alcohol, and drugs got brought up, and people were so gracious to offer their opinions. It became apparent that these opinions were founded on myths and misinformation, someone started correcting them, it escalated, I joined in, and here we are :).</p>

<p>On the topic of the thread, the college experience I hope for is one where I make new friends, try new things, break out of my shell, and remember how to have fun again. My friends right now have FORGOTTEN how to have fun. We’re all so self-conscious and judgemental. It’s depressing…</p>

[Axion004]

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I have no idea how, but somehow, partying, alcohol, and drugs got brought up, and people were so gracious to offer their opinions. It became apparent that these opinions were founded on myths and misinformation, someone started correcting them, it escalated, I joined in, and here we are .

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<p>This is because you are automatically assuming one side of opinions is correct. It is irrelevant which side you agree with. Because, after all, opinions are opinions.</p>

<p>I don’t think there is a right or wrong answer. Some people are going to say the purpose of College is to have fun; others are going to say the purpose of College is to get an education. Who wins in the end? This would be on how you define winning.</p>

<p>You could argue that this is being black and white. I use to think gray but eventually at one point in time I sorta gave up.</p>

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On the topic of the thread, the college experience I hope for is one where I make new friends, try new things, break out of my shell, and remember how to have fun again. My friends right now have FORGOTTEN how to have fun. We’re all so self-conscious and judgemental. It’s depressing…

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<p>I’ve always thought the purpose of College was to get an education. That is what I am paying for.</p>

<p>Depending of different personalities, people agree and disagree with the statement above. Once again, I don’t think there is a right or wrong answer.</p>

<p>You are free to think whatever you want. If I forgot how to have fun this is merely because I have found something more interesting than the standardized definition of “fun.”</p>

<p>Like a wise person once told me-</p>

<p>That is your life, this is mine.</p>

[gotakun]

<p>Nah… I wasn’t arguing anything about the purpose of college. But if people are going to base their opinions on false facts about drugs, like placing blame for the world’s problems on drugs, or like discrediting drugs for a skewed idea of how “dangerous” they are, then I’m going to say something.</p>

<p>There are plenty of REAL reasons why someone should choose not to do drugs, REAL reasons why drugs should not be widely available, REAL reasons to blame drugs for specific problems. But people who haven’t researched with an open mind, received a proper drug education, or learned enough through experience, don’t understand the true reasons. Because of this, it’s easy to spot the ignorant, misguided people.</p>

<p>All opinions are not equal. Some are more legitimate than others. In my opinion, there are actually 101 cents in a dollar, because pennies have more buying power than dollar bills.</p>

<p>My friends judge popular “fun” activities. What they don’t understand, is that having fun is about having fun, not about doing some specific activity and avoiding others. Why can’t they just let loose, go to a gay club with me, pretend like they’re gay, and run with completely bogus stories? I think that would be fun, but they would never go for that, EVER. They wouldn’t even conSIDER it. They wouldn’t even PRETEND to like the idea, even with no intention of ever doing it. Nah, they’d rather sit around at one friend’s house with the same 3-4 people that have been there for several years and just… talk and be bored. I love them, but they’re *****ing boring.*</p>

[Zenbadabing]

<p>Gotakun I think we’d be good friends, haha.</p>

[collegeboss]

<p>you guys sound really cool arguing on the internet</p>

[gotakun]

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@Zenbadabing

Gotakun I think we’d be good friends, haha.

Yeah? How do you like Boston? =]</p>

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@collegeboss

you guys sound really cool arguing on the internet

Don’t be jealous… ;)</p>

[NonAntiAnarchist]

<p>Hey, I might be transferring into Boston! Hit me up if you need a pretend-to-be-gay friend!</p>